slcutler922

gellie

Yes very fair deal. Congrats on the new car!

slcutler922

FiveRiversGTS

Yes I think 20% is possible but the build may be odd or less desirable.

As a reference in January of 2015, I saw a leftover 2014 C4S with MSRP of 122K offered for 102K about 17% w/o negotiations. But it was some odd brown color with a beige interior iirc. I am sure it could have been purchased for 100K or less.

For a build you like probably 15% would be more reasonable. Definitely watch out for warranty punch date. You can call PCNA to see when it was punched. I think if it's punched it will be in their system. If it's punched I would use that to your advantage to negotiate a CPO which I believe may be possible. In addition try to add the 2yr maintenance included. Good Luck.

OGRonnie9

Hoping to get some help with this situation as well. Did not want to start a new thread, so I will jump in here.

I am in the market for a base 991.2 and could use some advice on how to move forward. I have been looking at leftover 2017 options and I’m having a hard time deciding if I should go with a leftover or go the CPO route. I know CPO would be cheaper, but I’m not confident in my “ability” to keep the car for more than three years, so I worry about depreciation and trade-in value. Also, I think I buying one of the leftovers would give me peace of mind that, for the most part, the car is “new” and has not been abused by the previous owner. Just trying to be extra careful since this will be my first Porsche.

I did look in to leasing and was quoted between $1500-$1685 for a light 2018 Carrera build. The only options I am set on are PDK, Sports Chrono, Sunroof (not a requirement), Bose, folding exterior mirrors, auto-dimming mirrors, and maybe Sports exhaust. This will be a daily driver for me.

Based on information in this conversation and other similar threads, it sounds like i should be aiming for 20%+ off of MSRP. I don’t have faith that my local dealers will play ball so I am mentally prepared to shop out of state. I live in Washington State and there are several 2017 Carreras that have been on the dealers' lots for quite some time. These cars are specced much higher than my desired build, but the options are tasteful and I would be happy with them. I also found the perfect build at Beverly Hills Porsche, but obviously, that would require that I drive it back from Cali or have the car shipped (I am not opposed to either option).

So, I would like help with the following:
Knowing that the leftover 2017 cars are already 1-2 years old, and the 2019 MY cars are about to be announced, I am concerned that I will start out way behind the depreciation curve as soon as I drive off the lot. I checked the trade in value for one of the cars I am interested in and, based on KBB, a dealer would likely offer between $78k-$83k for that particular build with low miles. One of my local dealers has three options that have been discounted from $115k, $116k, and $117k MSRP to $107k, $108k, and $109k respectively. If I am not able to get at least 20% off, would either of these options be a bad buy? Any thoughts on why these cars are not selling? Is Carmine red not a popular color? I'm not in love with it, but I would not walk away from these cars because of this particular color.

Lastly, I am curious if it is possible to lease a leftover 2017 car? I am asking because I have received conflicting info on this.

Thanks in advance for any guidance provided.

stout

Agate 7MT on 19s. What a cool find, and for 15-16% off sticker after sitting for 9 months? Congrats, and what is the rest of the spec on that car? And...how are you liking it?

cpbmd

Below is a 2017 C2S not titled. Asking $112,990
I was looking for a 2016 or 2015 to save some money. I would consider 2017 if there is good value in the car. It has 500 miles. Not titled. Warranty punched, don't know when.
What do you think about this car? I want MT. I will mainly use the car fro touring. No track or any kind of racing.
Thanks
CB

Prod Month:
01/2016
VIN:
WP0AB2A9XHS122131
Price:
$129,995.00
Exterior:
Graphite Blue Metallic
Interior:
Leather Interior in Black
Warranty Start:
February 29, 2016
031
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC) incl. PASM Sport Suspension (20 mm Lower)
460
20" RS Spyder Design Wheels
474
Front axle lift system
487
Manual Transmission
581
Luggage net in passenger footwell
583
Smoking package
651
Electric slide/tilt sunroof
762
Launch vehicle
9VL
Bose
A7
Graphite Blue Metallic
AZ
Leather interior in Black
P06
Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
P3P
Sport Package
QH1
Voice Control
XSC
Porsche Crest on headrests

spiderv6

Build date 1/16, Punched 2/16. That has been sitting on the lot for 2+ years??

$129k MSRP.

It needs to have CPO and double the discount they are offering you. A deal to be done probably.....

StormRune

Actually, in the text you included it says when the warranty started: February 29, 2016.

All of what you are looking at here is similar to what I encountered. I bought a similarly-stickered 2017 S in January with 975 miles but with a warranty start in 8/17 at a price similar to their asking price (after negotiation and with a better value for my trade than others were offering). I'd think with two years of warranty gone they would either CPO for free or reduce the price quite a bit more. The pending temporary factory shutdown and the possible tariffs on German cars may be helping keep car prices more elevated.

But here's the bottom line. Whatever people tell you here you should be able to get as a discount doesn't matter if no one will sell you a car at that price. Find the best candidate cars you can (2 or 3 if possible)... ideally ones that you would really be happy with (don't settle on color if you don't like it).... and then whatever the best price you can get when comparing the dealer offers is the one to take. Telling each dealer about the other cars and where they are is fine. Even if you don't have a second candidate, find at least one that is a close enough match that it is plausible that you are really considering it and make that the competition. The dealer that sold me my last car was actually looking up the competing car online and call me back telling me the pros and cons of that car versus his while also coming down a little more on price spread between my trade and the new car.

Edit: Oh yeah. That car looks pretty nicely optioned to me. I would get them to throw in a fresh oil change and maybe even two year service before it is driven away though.

cpbmd

Thanks very much guys. I really appreciate the opinions. That is a great plan to cause competition between dealers. I guess it boils down to how much they want to sell the car.
BTW does this car have Sports Chrono? I don't see it listed in the options. I has the clock on the dash though.

Thanks again. This is a great forum.

cpbmd

Why would such a nice car be on the lot for 2 years? Makes no sense to me.
Does the CPO run after the manufacturer warranty or does it run contemporaneously?

Thanks
CB

cpbmd

The car is only discounted 13% right now. That seems like a low discount for a car sitting around for 2 years. 20% discount would price the car at $103,999
Definitely I would ask them to go through the car before purchase. The rotors look really rusted too.

StormRune

Yes. the car has the P3P Sport Package. This includes PSE (Sport Exhaust), RAS (Rear-Axle Steering), Sport Design Mirrors, Sport Steering Wheel (smaller), and the Sport Chrono functions.

StormRune

Also FYI, I don't know if it is the case with this car, but some dealerships have been buying remaining inventory from other smaller and sometimes more remote dealerships that have a harder time selling quantities of cars. My car was one of these. Since they likely had to leave the original dealer with some profit they have a bit less wiggle room in their pricing.

But yeah, I agree with the others that with there should be more room in their pricing on this one regardless since it is two years into its warranty and almost two years into its production date. I still wonder how much the factory shutdown, inventory/allocation shortages, and impending tariffs are going to make it harder and harder to find the same deals that might have been found with leftover cars like this in previous years.

spiderv6

Good question, for a "fresh" car I think it's a valid consideration. For a car 2 years on the lot......I'm not sure it is so relevant (although of course the dealer will argue otherwise!)

Why has it sat for 2 years? Partly because it is manual (~10% of the buyers) and after that I don't know.....seems like a pretty good build to me. Color is nothing crazy. In the end if the car works for you it seems like an aggressive deal should be very possible.