Our sage has spoken...explains why I always think about driving mine, when I'm not.

 

No way is this true. I own both and the M4 rear seats can actually hold two adults whereas it's impossible for the 991. And there's no comparison for trunk capacity... the M4 swallow up stuff that the 991 has to leave behind.

 

The Audi does have more 'push' or understeer than the 911's I test drove. That's why I want a 991 for more fun.

 

The Z4M with the 3.2 litre inline 6 was the last "M" car that I personally appreciated. Well over ten years ago.

The M division just seemed to lose its way and never really returned other than in the form of endless badges. For example I find it difficult to see why you would buy a M4 over a 435i or a M5 over a 535i.

In essence, the 991.2 Carrera range is a stable of great all rounders (and to some degree that is underplaying their capabilities), hard to go wrong with any of them.

 

 

I've owned a lot of BMWs. I'm generally a big M fan and really do love my M2 MT. A lot of my complaints with the current M3/4 are absent in the M2 and I think its a bargain. I like the M2 more at $55k than say a new lightly optioned Cayman S at close to $80k. In any event, the 911 or 718 are just very different from the BMWs - they are focused but livable sports cars vs M's approach to building a sporty car. I have a GTS 4 PDK on the way and I think the M2 will complement it nicely. Its a great time to be an enthusiast. So many interesting cars out there today. They don't all begin with a P.

 

To me the best M3's where the first year cars with the V8's. Still lite, great handling cars. Later the 'look at me' types kept asking for more doo dad's and plush suspensions with big wallets so BMW bent over to the point where 'I have an 'M' car' thought is more important than driving a true M car.

 

I've owned two E92 M3s, and I'm not sure I agree. They felt heavy and numb, and I didn't love the low torque engine. To be perfectly honest my X5M feels a lot more fun, more lively, and even handles better for what it is than my M3s. The E9x cars are fine, but I think they're very overhyped.

 

There's nothing like displacement but as you describe turbo torque does wonders too.

 

You don't seem too familiar with e46s. There are thousands of cars over 200k miles, some getting up into the 600k miles on original motors and trannies. There are also large amounts of E46 M3s over 100k miles.

 

Nobody is restoring these E46's.... they are repairing them and maintaining them. But of semantics but he means like taking a 55 Chevy and spending 100K or a Mira and spending 250K on taking every nut and bolt off the car and restoring to new.

 

God I miss my S54 (CSL cams and intake) M Roadster. Mine was a Z3 and pretty primitive. Not that great a handling car but so much fun to drive!

 

My brother loves those M roadsters...he's had one though out his days off and on. The present one has some super built motor in it. I only see pictures of his constant trade in's etc...he's in Florida.

 

I don't follow BMW's but the fast back one with the wide wheel wells is what I like and can be a cool collectible in my opinion.

 

I went from a ~600rwhp S52 with a GT35R (take that everyone that calls me a turbo hater) to a S54 with CSL intake and exhaust cam and an OEM CSL intake. The S54 howled! The NA car was likely ~375bhp(half the boosted one), Guess which one was more fun to drive?