991 vs 992
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Originally Posted by tse
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It would be like putting in a nice shiny shifter that does all the shifting for you...
It would be like putting in a nice shiny shifter that does all the shifting for you...
All kidding aside, I’ll take the digital tach in a heartbeat. Wait until the platform goes hybrid or fully electric. Bad as this is, it’s peanuts compared to what coming our way...
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Unless you flip flip up the map, you know what goes on the far right screen? The time and date. Ether in the format shown or in a giant clock form. And on the left? The temperature. Unless you have assistance systems and are running them.
Tragicnwaste of of real estate. Let's dedicate half the screen to the temperature. Yes, very well laid out UI. GENIUS. I just spent a week in a loaner Panamera and I really wanted to like the new UI...but came away very underwhelmed. In addition, it is not very easy to navigate basic functions like PRESETS!
#35
I think the new digital displays look cheap and terrible. "Cool" merely because it's techy. What's the point of a digital display that is designed to EXACTLY mimic the real thing? It's like getting an Apple Watch with a Rolex face and saying it's better than a Rolex. It's nice to have SOMETHING that still looks and/or feels tactile, in a world where our eyes are constantly looking at screens. Firstly, the digital displays are pixelated, the frame rate isn't as immediate as the real thing, and it will be the FIRST thing to date a car. Go ahead, sit in a 2007 S Class with the first "ooh/ahh" digital speedo, it looks like an 80's atari game. Now go sit in a 2000 S Class, its speedo, although nothing special and not in the same realm of iconic as the classic analogue Porsche gauges (which if you're like me and stared at them since childhood, they're a priceless carry over design feature), will look perfectly fine. Tech changes so rapidly and our eyes acclimate to the newest graphics that your 2020 911 gauges will look ancient when the next gen digital display car rolls out with crisper, faster graphics, and so on and so on.
IMO nothing beats, nor is more timeless than the classic analogue gauges. But I buy 911's for timelessness and visceral connection, I couldn't care less about tech in it. If I want to go tech'd out, I'll get a Tesla.
IMO nothing beats, nor is more timeless than the classic analogue gauges. But I buy 911's for timelessness and visceral connection, I couldn't care less about tech in it. If I want to go tech'd out, I'll get a Tesla.
#37
Agreed, even the MFD on my .1 looks dated compared to the newer displays. It only took 5 years to look out of date IMO.
#38
My car car looks brand new. Aside from the archaic PCM that I simply keep in “Car” mode to show performance data.
Being that the 911 is the one car that bucks the “fad” trend, I wish they would save from throwing digital gauges in it. As you point out, the MFD graphics are already looking dated (and they were extremely high res appearing when I got my Macan in 2015). To me, the new Panny gauges don’t even look all that high res. They look like a fake/cheap imitation of the actual, real gauges in my car. I just don’t get the point. Audi’s massive digital speedo looks terrible too (like an arcade game) and lacks any of the class and authenticity that good analogue gauges bring.
#39
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Responding to original post, depends on how long you want to wait. Probably the 992 will not be that different that the 991.2. Maybe a little more power and maybe eventually some sort of hybrid? I placed an order for my 991.2 before they were out and waited six months. That was a long six months, but I was glad I waited because a lot of things offered with the 991.2 were worth the wait for me. At this point I plan on keeping my car for a long time but at lease end maybe something better comes out and I change my mind. Who knows. One things is that the 911 is a classic shape that never grows old, so if I am still driving the 991.2 in 10 or 20 years it will still be a cool car. So 991.2 or 992 are both good.
#40
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Responding to original post, depends on how long you want to wait. Probably the 992 will not be that different that the 991.2. Maybe a little more power and maybe eventually some sort of hybrid? I placed an order for my 991.2 before they were out and waited six months. That was a long six months, but I was glad I waited because a lot of things offered with the 991.2 were worth the wait for me. At this point I plan on keeping my car for a long time but at lease end maybe something better comes out and I change my mind. Who knows. One things is that the 911 is a classic shape that never grows old, so if I am still driving the 991.2 in 10 or 20 years it will still be a cool car. So 991.2 or 992 are both good.
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Some of you guys crack me up... I for one want the new technology, I want the all digital, faster car via turbo and/or electric help, etc. It is the way of the future. Would I still like the sound of the NA, yes.... any super car now days is going to already have it, Porsche is actually behind the curve.
I'm specifically holding out on my order for the new RR Sport because it is all digital, the dash, the center console, and the controls on the steering wheel, all touch screen. Basically its like an interactive iphone and the graphics look great..
I'm specifically holding out on my order for the new RR Sport because it is all digital, the dash, the center console, and the controls on the steering wheel, all touch screen. Basically its like an interactive iphone and the graphics look great..
herein lies my issue with that gauge layout. For the record, I am a fan of digital gauges when well done. I am also a Gen X'er who embraces technology. These gauges aren't clear. The display is great, very clear. But the screen is tremendously underutilized and not well laid out.
Unless you flip flip up the map, you know what goes on the far right screen? The time and date. Ether in the format shown or in a giant clock form. And on the left? The temperature. Unless you have assistance systems and are running them.
Tragicnwaste of of real estate. Let's dedicate half the screen to the temperature. Yes, very well laid out UI. GENIUS. I just spent a week in a loaner Panamera and I really wanted to like the new UI...but came away very underwhelmed. In addition, it is not very easy to navigate basic functions like PRESETS!
Unless you flip flip up the map, you know what goes on the far right screen? The time and date. Ether in the format shown or in a giant clock form. And on the left? The temperature. Unless you have assistance systems and are running them.
Tragicnwaste of of real estate. Let's dedicate half the screen to the temperature. Yes, very well laid out UI. GENIUS. I just spent a week in a loaner Panamera and I really wanted to like the new UI...but came away very underwhelmed. In addition, it is not very easy to navigate basic functions like PRESETS!
Of course, Porsche will probably update their OS and put in functionality at some point... for some stupid amount of cash to buy the update.
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With regards to the digital dashes; already people feel the need for new phones every year due to the new displays. Technology is perpetuating so fast that the days of being content with a car for most is long gone.
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Originally Posted by subshooter
I think these screens are all configurable like our TFT/MFD.
#44
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The digital tach is awful. It €™s cheaper to manufacture and program, it has nothing to do with what enthusiasts prefer.
Next you €™ll tell me that a cheep plastic Apple watch is better than my Rolex. Serving multiple purposes while being shiny doesn €™t make it better than a classy analog watch.
For everything else there €™s PS4 or XBOX.
Next you €™ll tell me that a cheep plastic Apple watch is better than my Rolex. Serving multiple purposes while being shiny doesn €™t make it better than a classy analog watch.
For everything else there €™s PS4 or XBOX.
#45
I am actually not as vehemently opposed to the digital tachs as some of you are, it is the "touch" based interior compared with the last gen Panamera/Cayenne/current 991 911 that really rubs me the wrong way.... For Mission E I think it is appropriate and fine, but I don't think you have to just convert every model to that design language. Sometimes analog/buttons can be very luxurious and nice, I actually think the prior gen Cayenne/Panamera interior was much more luxurious and inspired than the current one. My favorite interior is actually the AMG GT-S, that is one amazing interior design (aside from the screen popping out in the middle). If that thing went to touch it would be a travesty