Needsdecaf

Thanks why there is a GT4 Clubsport. Which only comes with PDK I might add.

randr

The CS is hard to come by and plenty of people run in GT4 competitions using modified conventional GT4s. The current CS is engine limited and this is well understood. Moreover, depending on where you live, many sanctioned events such as road rallys, require a vehicle that was originally delivered as road registered. This is a big limiter on the use of Cup cars over here (for example).

The original intent of GT4 competition was it was going to be a low cost motorsport option - this has proven not to be the case. Doing it on the cheap for a single vehicle would cost around 250k pa for an officially sanctioned 10 round comp and it probably wouldn't be competitive.

GT cars are about motorsport - some so called purists may buy them, but the intent is motorsport. Porsche know and understand that around 70% of all GT cars are tracked and about 15% of them are run in accredited competition with accredited drivers (excluding Cup cars).

Yes I understand this, and I think its largely to do with the positioning of intercoolers, cooling and airflow - I think it can be addressed, but the question is at what cost. Personally a detuned GT3 engine in a GT4 may appeal to some, it probably won't for those that actually run in timed events with accreditation - unless Porsche make another CS version with PDK and an engine that is not detuned (and makes it widely available).

You do realise GT sales are around 10% of total 911 sales (if that) and that allocations of .2 have tightened (other markets being given preference).

ibmiked

I'd be interested in the new Spyder if they put the emphasis back on weight loss like they did in the first generation car. The new Spyder only pays lip service to being lighter.

randr

I think all Porsche sports cars need to go on a combined size and weight diet - however, this will come with a price tag.

CombatChuk

To be honest, the whole Porsche's getting big and fat is a bit overblown...

Here's a review of the 997.2 GTS, they measured the curb weight at 3430
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...pe-test-review

Here's the 2017 991.2 GTS, and with all the "Turbo plumbing" measured the curb weight at 3335. Almost 100 pounds lighter.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review

It is about 4 inches longer, but that's all in the wheelbase.

pfan

Additionally, the performance gains have vastly outpaced any size/weight gains, although I do wish the 991 were a bit more svelte.

ibmiked

Understood, but I didn’t say the Spyder was getting big and fat. I said I wish they focused more on saving weight (over the standard car the Boxster) as they did with the first generation Spyder. You can’t solve everything with adding power. Reducing mass has it’s own set of advantages.

K-A

When 991.1’s came out, they advertised front and center how it was lighter than the 997. Which probably puts the .2’s standard weight somewhere around the 997. Not exactly “gaining weight” if we look at it like that, considering 997’s came out over 10 years ago.

Still, I’d certainly accept my car being lighter. But a .1 C2 is pretty light to modern standards and speaking for my own car, it does feel it. Not sure how much a 718 Boxster S weighs, but it felt like a go-kart pocket rocket to me.

Valvefloat991

About 5 percent smaller all around would be ideal. That would make it 168.2 in long (same the G-series 911 through the 993), 67.6 in wide (half an inch less than the 993), and 48.4 in high (two inches lower than a Cayman).

That would be one sleek 991 and most of us would easily fit in such a car.