Ok fair enough. I should have said I agree with his assessment. In fact, I agree with most of his opinions and observations from his youtube channel.

For me, I really don't notice PASM, PTV, RWS, PDCC etc on the street and I am not a track guy so these options are nearly useless for me. I think you really have to be pushing the car to notice or appreciate these options. Others that have a butt dyno better than mine can chime in. I do like the fact that the 911T offers SPASM - purely from a cosmetic perspective.

I also agree that the most fun you can have driving a 911 is the base engine (at least on a 991.2). I agree that HP is overrated with all the high power engines coming out now. Unless you are tracking or drag racing, I don't see the point. Even my .2 C4 is a bit much for the country roads. My Boxster is about perfect to blast around my area. The pdk Base 991.2 is faster that the fastest production sold in the 1980s. How much more do you need?

Porsche doesn't want us to figure that out though. They are making a ton of money on the S/GTS and these options. Especially with the new engines.

 

Thanks for taking my post in the spirit in which is was constructed. Upon re-reading, my post might have been graded as mildly 'ragefull' and not in keeping with the rules of this thread. It wouldn't do to have to put myself on my ignore list.


As far as PASM and PDCC go, I can understand this conclusion if you drive, mostly, on roads that are not subjected to salt and extreme freeze/thaw cycles and that are constructed and maintained by reasonably conscientious human beings rather than Rhesus Monkey's high on crack.

You should take a trip up here and experience the difference on our Monkey-maintained roads

 

I haven't driven a car with ras, but I was pretty disappointed in the amount of understeer present when I test drove a 991.2 base, so I sure as heck hope it neutralizes some of that.

 

An aggressive alignment would probably kill the understeer.

 

Or a gentle pressure of the right foot on the gas pedal...?

 

True and true. Never the less, I prefer a more neutral handling car.

 

Every factory spec car I've whipped has understeered at the limit. Something about safety...

From what I've heard, even GT cars need an alignment to really be able to rotate.

 

981 Spyder feels pretty neutral. As does my GT500. My 911's all had understeer, but I was never as impressed by it as I was with the 991.2 base. Could be my car awareness as a driver has improved too. All I know is it plowed a lot compared to my Spyder.

 

Or lower front tire pressure.

Or wider front tires.

Or increase oversteer with more rear pressure.

... Oh. Wait. That's why understeer is standard from the factory: Lawyers. Quite reasonable though given a) the 930 lawsuits and b) the fact that most folks don't understand weight transfer and snap-throttle oversteer.

 

^^^THIS is why Porsche is reluctant to build a true enthusiast lightweight...

"I want the look, but wouldn't know performance if it smacked me in the ***..."

 

Some ppl get ceramic brakes because they like the yellow calipers or because it keeps the wheels clean lol

 

I see where you are coming from but think of it this way - one item that differentiates Porsche from just about any other manufacturer (other than say Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren) is the fact they produce cars that handle very very well.

The fact they offer the T with SPASM - PTV and RAS ensures you have a fantastic package from the handling point of view. The fact that you may not notice them is good. Personally, and in this instance I would take the handling options.

370HP is plenty of mumbo for public roads when combined with great handling (and tires). In fact, with the turbo engine and shorter gearing, going up a mountain road becomes a great deal of fun because the torque is always there to dig you out of a corner (and thinner air is much less of an issue).

In terms of engine response, NM obviously doesn't understand it. In fact, the S and GTS, have more responsive engines than the base unit because they develop higher effective compression ratios

I was going to make a comment on lag, then held my pen. I will simply say this - I have lot of seat time in my S in both stock and x51 configuration. The 3l engine is a very very good engine, Porsche have done a very good job and the best way to enjoy it is to go out and drive it.

 

Does the car do rev matching without SC?

The description on the US configurator seems to say you need SC for rev matching.

 

I assume you mean on a track?

 

My understanding is that the car has all SC options standard other than the clock and track timing app. So the $320 is only for the clock and the app. I could be wrong but I have seen this from multiple sources.