Will 991.1 be iconic in 20 years?
#16
Burning Brakes
When the 996 came out, it was a great performer. Updated tech. Better numbers. Newer. The 991.2 is all that too. And it will be eclipsed in the same categories by the 992 and the self driving hydrogen fuel cell speed limit governed ones down the road, etc.
But so what. I wasn't crazy about the 993 at the time. I mean I definitely liked it. It was a 911 and I love 911s, but when it was new I wasn't doing cartwheels over it. Headlights/pillars seemed a little inadequate and for no good reason. It's not like back then 0.1mpg was that big of a deal but whatever.
Now people are selling their first borns to get a 993. The 996 didn't do itself any favors with the fugly egglights, but the main reason the 993 is so revered is because it's the last air cooled. Purist. Tradition. Sound. Experience. Overall vibe.
The 991.2 is a great car and the 992 will be as well. But the .1 is the last NA and IMO has slightly better lines than the .2, and if the spy pics are even close, way better than the 992. Like others mentioned, everyone goes Gaga for "more tech!" In their cars but not only does that never age well, it saps the experience of what a 911 was always meant to be. Many would have have you believe the Alpha and Omega of the driving experience is MT vs PDK but there's WAY more to it than that.
I think in 20-30 years (yeah I know, insert Orwellian/Matrix prediction/fantasy here) literally ZERO percent of people will care about the "tech" in slightly less old older 911s. But "big block" NA engines will IMO be VERY desirable.
At the end of the day, I think that how an engine breathes is way more foundational, visceral (and collectible/desirable) than even how it's cooled is viewed now.
We'll see of course. The 991.1 IMO is already "better" in many regards and other than GT offerings, I just don't see the reasons for that changing. Ever. And it's "lines" are better than .2 and 992 spy pics for sure. I think they'll be desirable going forward.
That said, they made a lot of them and they'll be sold/traded for warranty concerns and lease terminations for a few more years anyway, so we won't truly know how the market treats them until they're all fully on the "used" market for a few years. Yet already we're seeing prices do better than many expected.
I think it's a keeper. I won't be dumping mine except for a GT car which I won't get (because I'm a small fry customer that won't pay ADM) and other than the idea of a warranty (which will run out eventually regardless) anything non GT beyond the 991.1 just doesn't do it for me. I'm still a fan, and they're still amazing cars. But IMO NA will be viewed as far, far more important than air vs water over time (the 993s, being air and NA, will obviously continue to do very well).
But so what. I wasn't crazy about the 993 at the time. I mean I definitely liked it. It was a 911 and I love 911s, but when it was new I wasn't doing cartwheels over it. Headlights/pillars seemed a little inadequate and for no good reason. It's not like back then 0.1mpg was that big of a deal but whatever.
Now people are selling their first borns to get a 993. The 996 didn't do itself any favors with the fugly egglights, but the main reason the 993 is so revered is because it's the last air cooled. Purist. Tradition. Sound. Experience. Overall vibe.
The 991.2 is a great car and the 992 will be as well. But the .1 is the last NA and IMO has slightly better lines than the .2, and if the spy pics are even close, way better than the 992. Like others mentioned, everyone goes Gaga for "more tech!" In their cars but not only does that never age well, it saps the experience of what a 911 was always meant to be. Many would have have you believe the Alpha and Omega of the driving experience is MT vs PDK but there's WAY more to it than that.
I think in 20-30 years (yeah I know, insert Orwellian/Matrix prediction/fantasy here) literally ZERO percent of people will care about the "tech" in slightly less old older 911s. But "big block" NA engines will IMO be VERY desirable.
At the end of the day, I think that how an engine breathes is way more foundational, visceral (and collectible/desirable) than even how it's cooled is viewed now.
We'll see of course. The 991.1 IMO is already "better" in many regards and other than GT offerings, I just don't see the reasons for that changing. Ever. And it's "lines" are better than .2 and 992 spy pics for sure. I think they'll be desirable going forward.
That said, they made a lot of them and they'll be sold/traded for warranty concerns and lease terminations for a few more years anyway, so we won't truly know how the market treats them until they're all fully on the "used" market for a few years. Yet already we're seeing prices do better than many expected.
I think it's a keeper. I won't be dumping mine except for a GT car which I won't get (because I'm a small fry customer that won't pay ADM) and other than the idea of a warranty (which will run out eventually regardless) anything non GT beyond the 991.1 just doesn't do it for me. I'm still a fan, and they're still amazing cars. But IMO NA will be viewed as far, far more important than air vs water over time (the 993s, being air and NA, will obviously continue to do very well).
#17
I can only say that it would take a lot of money to get me to sell my 911/50 with 8000 miles on it. Currently,only a 991.2 GT3 would make me think about a trade. As for a 991.2 GTS ; nice car but I would wait for the 992.
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I don't think so.... It's more likely to be another used car in 20y like the 996 now...
That's assuming we're not forced into autonomous electric cars by then, due to pricier insurance or anti-driver regulations ;-)
I love my NA 991.1 but even in terms of raw experience, let's not kid ourselves, it does not hold a candle to an early aircooled car at sane speeds... If performance is the angle, the new electric cars will kick ***, witness the upcoming mission-E... Not a hater, I love my car, but "iconic" probably not, plenty made, will be hard to service in 20y (will they figure out COVs and door panels that don't warp by then? ;-)
It's probably as close to iconic NOW as it's gonna get, for folks who don't want turbos... In 5y we'll either be so used to turbos everywhere that the low torque will be annoying, or we'll be driving mission Es doing 0-60 in 2.4 secs ;-)
That's assuming we're not forced into autonomous electric cars by then, due to pricier insurance or anti-driver regulations ;-)
I love my NA 991.1 but even in terms of raw experience, let's not kid ourselves, it does not hold a candle to an early aircooled car at sane speeds... If performance is the angle, the new electric cars will kick ***, witness the upcoming mission-E... Not a hater, I love my car, but "iconic" probably not, plenty made, will be hard to service in 20y (will they figure out COVs and door panels that don't warp by then? ;-)
It's probably as close to iconic NOW as it's gonna get, for folks who don't want turbos... In 5y we'll either be so used to turbos everywhere that the low torque will be annoying, or we'll be driving mission Es doing 0-60 in 2.4 secs ;-)
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Why do we have to even wait 20 years? Isn't a 911, any 911, already iconic?
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I have held onto my 2015 .1 GTS longer then any other new Porsche I've owned. Normally I would be solidly in the "itch" phase for another, but I truly can't find anything to replace it.
I have taken a solid look at a 991.2 Turbo/Turbo S (always wanted to own one),....and they are fantastic cars for sure, but stepping out of a few test drives and back into the GTS there are still buttons the GTS pushes that the Turbo does not, so I'm waiting on it for now.
It is truly a future conundrum for me. Hoping the 992 does something for me, but not holding my breath....
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#28
Yep.
Its human nature to hold on to nostalgia. Especially after you paid six-figures for it. Buy it, drive it, enjoy it.. and when/if the time is right.. trade it for something better and/or different. FWIW.. I don't believe the .1 non-GT will be remembered for anything spectacular.. its a great driving car but they simply made so many it will always be pretty common. Hell the only real reason the GT cars remain so valuable is they were always pretty rare. When demand cant keep up with supply.. prices jump up accordingly.
Its human nature to hold on to nostalgia. Especially after you paid six-figures for it. Buy it, drive it, enjoy it.. and when/if the time is right.. trade it for something better and/or different. FWIW.. I don't believe the .1 non-GT will be remembered for anything spectacular.. its a great driving car but they simply made so many it will always be pretty common. Hell the only real reason the GT cars remain so valuable is they were always pretty rare. When demand cant keep up with supply.. prices jump up accordingly.
#29
After 4 years in a couple of T*slas (The future?) I recently bought a 991.1 C4S. Had a few Porsche turbos earlier, I enjoying every moment of the 991.1. The raw nature of a NA engine, the sound, the feel, the need to rev it to extract full power.
I believe NA 991.1 will be sought after.
I believe NA 991.1 will be sought after.