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Old 09-23-2017 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by drdasd



I think the outrage should be at what Porsche is charging for that special "exclusive" gloss badge!!
Old 09-23-2017 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
I'll let my threads speak for themselves
and their views/posts. See any complaints
there?
You haven't heard a complaint about the
smuggness of some of your own comments
on HFS threads? Where have you been?
Who died and made you Queen of this
subject & the ultimate authority as to
LECTURE Rennlisters as to what a good
deal? Give me break!

Originally Posted by STG
Anyone can go look them up. Very
comprehensive and informative when
talking about the .2 GT3 thread and
Hot for Sale. The most in depth information
available anywhere on those topics.
You don't say? Have you stop
sometimes & read back what
your write & how smug you
sound?

Originally Posted by STG
Because I'm not actively looking for a
pre-owned 991.1 or have an allocation
for a .2 GT3, does that mean I can't
make contributions on those subjects?
What are exactly the 'contributions'
you are making to the gt3 forum,
George? Please! Get a hold of
yourself.

Originally Posted by STG
Is there something wrong with me
actually enjoying my .1 C2S? I don't
need to flip cars yearly to show off
to the forum crowd.
So that is what you think I am
doing? Showing off to the forum
crowd by switching from a .1 991
gt3 to a .2 991S coupe?

Originally Posted by STG
You write about PTS, deviated stitching,
and Exclusive options but when is the
last time you ordered a new 911 and
used any of those?
Never George. I am just a 'poseur',
perhaps like you. You are too clever
& found me out! You have exposed
that 'the king has no clothes'.

Originally Posted by STG
As far as "friends", I can't even keep up with
the ones I have or spend enough time with
my family because of work. Not really looking
to be invited over to talk about PTS over wine
and cigars around the world.
So you don't want any new friends...but are
constantly posting here on Rennlist. Maybe
it be better investment to spend more time
with your family/work & less with Rennlist.
I personally love Rennlist & all the folks I have
been fortunate to meet via this great forum.
And people want to meet me because I have
helped them with their custom orders & PTS.
I have nearly 1500 pm's which I have received
& answered. And countless emails & even
telephone calls overseas! People appreciate
when someone makes an effort & tries to
help them out.

So before making wise *** comments like
"Who gives a *uck what hood I'm in today",
keep it bottled up if you don't know why the
other person writes something. Just because
you don't understand, or condone it, it doesn't
mean its not important or meaningful to the
person posting it. And that there might be
a reason for it that your great mind can't
figure out. Again, that smugness needs
to stop!



Originally Posted by STG
Anyway Eduardo, you do make some very
good contributions to the forum and I won't
dispute that. I've gotten to know you well
enough to know the rest of your persona.
I'll let it rest.
Thank you, George!

Originally Posted by STG
I think I can move on now. Update me with
any GT steering software findings. If any small
improvements or tweaks can be made to a
great car, why not??
If only you would mean it...

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
Old 09-23-2017 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Even if the software is identical, and the actual steering hardware is identical as well, the geometry of the car (suspension, bearings, etc.) and not to mention the different tires, would probably contribute just as much to steering "feel" as the actual software and hardware would.
Exactly. There will likely be hardware difference including suspension components, wheels, brakes, not to mention suspension set-up (yaw, camber, etc).
Old 09-23-2017 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Z356

Again, that smugness needs
to stop!

Thank you, George! If only you would mean it...

Saludos,
Eduardo
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Old 09-23-2017 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrence
Exactly. There will likely be hardware difference including suspension components, wheels, brakes, not to mention suspension set-up (yaw, camber, etc).

Oh no. Watch your back. Eduardo might unleash on you. You mean you can't turn a 991.2 "turbo" into a NA GT3 with just software and a "chip tune"?
Old 09-23-2017 | 11:22 PM
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After seeing a manual transmission put into a 991 GT3RS, I no longer say, "it can't be done!".

Go ask BGB about this steering software.
Old 09-24-2017 | 12:11 AM
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I am totally ignorant as to how the steering feels in the 991.1 GT3, because I have never driven one. I have heard others say that the GT3 has the best steering feel of all the 991.1 cars.

With the above in mind, the one time I drove a 991.2 (base Cab), and I forgot to look to see if it had PSP, but I did not notice the steering get lighter when I drove it through the dealer's parking lot. However, having a 991.1 GTS to compare to the base 991.2, I really sensed that the steering feel was slightly better than my 991.1 GTS.

Some months after I drove the base 991.2 I made some changes to the suspension set-up on my 991.1 GTS, as follows: DSC PASM module, replacing OEM. Car has PASM, not SPASM. TPC front and rear adjustable stabilizer bars, set to TPC's recommended initial stiffness. Moved the negative camber on the front to the max available on the OEM GTS suspension, as I recall, about 1.17 degrees negative. Rear was slightly adjusted to stay in the correct relationship with the front.

There is no way the suspension on a GTS can directly compare with that on a GT3, but I will say that I believe my 991.1 GTS transfers enough better feel through the steering to make me happier than I was. Response and turn in are very much better. Much better handling on the few times I've taken this car to a track since making the changes.

Unfortunately, I will need to drive my 991.1 back to back with a regular 991.2 to be in a position to compare the steering now that I've made these changes. I do know generally what I like and do not like, but that's about the extent of my expertise.

Maybe, even without software changes to the 991.2S, a little more negative camber at the front could help. I just don't know, and then there is the consideration of rear wheel steering. I have more than enough trouble trying to figure out how to use my damn cane to keep from falling over like the guy on the end of the bench on Laugh-In.
Old 09-24-2017 | 05:32 PM
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Wow, so many experts on here that make my head hurt...especially the ones that own neither car lol

Subscribed for the software change here also! Please share if you know something.

kwikit356, the below is what my shop quoted me after driving the '15 GT3 and immediately want to do something about my .2 C2 steering feel and handling.

- Install front GT3 lower control arms and adjustable front & rear
anti-roll bars.

Front adjustable anti-roll bar, 3 position
Rear adjustable anti-roll bar, 5 position
Front GT3 control arm set, rubber bushings
4-Wheel Alignment

Install lowering springs and wheel spacers.
Lowering spring kit
- 0.8" front, 0.5" rear.
- Kit also available to lower front 1.2" and rear 1.0"

Spacer 7mm Alu Anodized W/ Bolts
Spacer 15mm Alu Anodized W/ Bolts


The shop was impacted by Harvey. As soon as backup, will have mine done.
Old 09-25-2017 | 11:36 AM
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WOW! this thread escalated rather quickly! haha

Anyway, I've figured out that the "GT3 Steering software" is, in fact, just removing the "PSP" function off with a PIWIS tester and then re-coding all of the control modules for the new change.

Hope this helps others!!
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Originally Posted by Brian@ABP
Anyway, I've figured out that the "GT3 Steering software" is, in fact, just removing the "PSP" function off with a PIWIS tester and then re-coding all of the control modules for the new change.
I doubt it.
Old 09-25-2017 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LexVan
I doubt it.
ok.
Old 09-25-2017 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian@ABP
ok.
Come on, Brian, you're a smart guy! A 991.1 with the PSP removed, does not become a GT3 overnight.
Old 09-25-2017 | 12:24 PM
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What Brian is alluding to is the possibility that the software is actually the same and all of the feel differences are due to the actual suspension setup being different? I could see this...

Originally Posted by LexVan
Come on, Brian, you're a smart guy! A 991.1 with the PSP removed, does not become a GT3 overnight.
Old 09-25-2017 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by titleistaddict87
What Brian is alluding to is the possibility that the software is actually the same and all of the feel differences are due to the actual suspension setup being different? I could see this...
Oh, I see, now. Thank you.
Old 09-25-2017 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian@ABP
WOW! this thread escalated rather quickly! haha

Anyway, I've figured out that the "GT3 Steering software" is, in fact, just removing the "PSP" function off with a PIWIS tester and then re-coding all of the control modules for the new change.

Hope this helps others!!
Can you elaborate?

PSP (power steering plus) is an option that is on less than half all 991’s.


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