Captain racing

Any thoughts on why Porsche isn't making a non RS 991.2 GT2? I know they had a regular GT2 for the 996/997 models. My guess is it would be too close to the Turbo S in terms of price and performance.

arter

People that can afford and handle a GT2 want the top of the heep car.

ipse dixit

The 991.2 GT2 is called the Porsche Turbo S Exclusive.

Plus, the 997 GT2 never sold that well, if at all.

sticky

Considering the GT2 is lighter and rear wheel drive that doesn't make any sense...

NoGaBiker

I don't think the GT2 and the Gt2RS were concurrent. I think there was a 996 GT2, then a 997GT2, then a 997GT2RS. Perhaps they realized it only makes sense to go all-in with that outrageous model from the start.

From the beginning there have been X50 Powerkit or S models that offered the larger turbos and ICs and software of the GT2 on the Turbo. But those did not a GT2 make. Nor is the 991Turbo S a GT2 replacement.

Captain racing

That's a good point. I forgot the 997 GT2 came out in 2008 and then the RS in 2011. Having two niche cars like that released at the same time prob wouldn't make a lot of sense.

STG

Agree. The market for the GT2 isn't that big to support two variants, plus they don't want to compete against the Turbo S.

fuddman

Who says they wont?

How many people saw the GT3 "Touring package" coming.

So, why not a GT2 Touring Package.? You, know, the no wing option. I say Improve on it by making the wing detachable. That is, take it off or leave it on depending on your driving mood.

If they think it'll sell, I bet they'll make it.

ipse dixit

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14297086

fuddman

I understand the basic need for Porsche to avoid creating 911s which compete with each other for the same customer, e.g., Turbo/Turbo S versus GT variants. I think that's the gist of the post you refer to.
IMO, however, there is an even more basic need driving Porsche than that one. Porsche is, today, not selling enough 911s. Not enough Caymans and Boxsters. They are hunting for customers who like their cars; but, are sitting on the sidelines for various reasons, one of which may be because of some styling feature which turns them, the customer, off. In the case of the GT cars, that's the wing. Underline "some customers."

Result? Off goes the wing and out comes the GT3 Touring. And from the sounds of it, they're going to sell more cars by going that route. Success. It may be possible to achieve that same success by making the GT2 wing detachable or just eliminating it altogether.
Again, a wild guess on my part.

ipse dixit

They are not.

The GT3 Touring is part of the original production allocation for the 991.2 GT3 production run, not an additional batch of cars that will be built alongside the regular GT3.

And while a Touring option may have increased the interest in the GT3, it is one model in the Porsche lineup that does not need additional customer interest.

Captain racing

So there's some people out there that won't buy a GT car because of the wing? Never heard that one before.

NoGaBiker

As I said earlier, there was a Turbo, a Turbo S (called X50 in 2002/2003, Turbo S in 2004/2005), and a GT2 all coexisting in 996 variation.

In 997s there were Turbo, Turbo S, GT2 concurrently, and then Turbo, Turbo S and GT2RS concurrently later on.

So unless something has changed (could be the case I supposed) about the Turbo S and GT2RS customer base, I don't see why a GT2 RS would be seen as competing against a Turbo S, any more than a normally aspirated 991.1 GT3 or GT3 RS competed against a normally aspirated 991.1 GTS.

tstafford

What do you think the GT2RS customer base is?

My guess - it's mostly collectors. We rarely see GT2RS's come up for sale and when we do they are celebrated for having low miles, no track time, etc.

I don't think the way the cars are marketing (or discussed on RL) and reality are aligned at all.