Archimedes

As usual you twist my words. I've driven enough FI and NA cars to know the experience is different is between the two powerplants and I've read the comments of dozens of reviewers on each specific car, so I feel pretty comfortable that my 'opinion' about them being a different experience is probably a reasonable comment. Sorry I didn't run that past you before posting.

My last point, was my opinion/hope. I believe that the GTS should be a high horsepower naturally aspirated car with a 6 speed and a bit of an edge to it, not a sticker kit car like it was with the .1 or a turbo car like it is with the .2. It would be nice if Porsche actually offered a raw, sporty, lighter car in its regular lineup rather than requiring the purchase of a GT car to get it. And perfect positioning would be at the high end of the range, as a GTS. You can already spec an S with the powerkit anyway; save the GTS for a more special car IMO.

fxz

thr GTS is a good car but its not a GT3 period

Akunob

The GTS is an amazing car, it's everything the GT3 aspires to be on the street but can't be due to its DNA. While a GT3 would outperform a GTS on the track, I doubt it completely pulls away from a well driven GTS on a short track (~2.0 miles). That said, I suspect the FEEL of both cars would be drastically different, with the GT3 easier, more effortless to drive fast and the GTS requiring slightly more attention. Both are amazing cars, I love my GT3 but the GTS is no slouch, especially the .2 GTS (with turbo).

JEI-Porsche

I have both a PDK ’18 4 GTS Targa & 911R. On most public streets it seems easier to more often enjoy quick bursts of torque and slingshot between bends vs revving out the R to really feel & hear it’s NA fireworks. They both are fantastic cars, just very different in the experience they deliver. By the seat of my pants, the GTS certainly does not feel any slower than the R.

fxz

^and you have an heavy weight Targa
go figure!

Petevb

The only surprise in that statement is that you feel the strut equipped Cayman is actually the “best chassis”. Have you experienced it over the limit, traction control off, etc?

Needsdecaf

The GTS is a fast car, but the chassis and steering are nowhere near the GTS. Great everyday driver and plenty quick, but feels way more remote and disconnected.

superchargedman

Thanks for sharing. You can't lose with that fleet. The spyder is interesting but I'd still rather gt4. Not enough top down times here in the north.

Petevb

I’m a hard-top guy, and 9 out of 10 will go that direction. I like the Spyder in particular though because in addition to the noise it’s got a lot less tire and more progressive breakaway (for the street, unless you get the PSC2s nice and hot). It’s never going to be a 1M, but I found it more adjustable. The GT4’s harder to hold a slight angle with for me- especially in the wet it’s either tidy or pretty sideways, where the Spyder was happier to play in-between. I hear you on the weather though, not much you can do about that, and if you’re competing the choice is also pretty obvious.

superchargedman

I set my sway bars and alignment up perfectly to have smooth break away in the gt4. Also the dunlops seem to let loose pretty easily. But like you said, the 1m is happiest when it's *** is out. Either way I'm lucky to keep one or the other.

ipse dixit

Or you could just as well say, "The GT3 is a good car, but it's not a GTS period."

Just depends on perspective.

Make sure when you're backing away from the Kool-Aid, not to trip over yourself.

fxz

1 is not 2 and 2 is not 1 right?

well depends from which perspective!!

i.e. both are numbers isn t it ?

that statement was implying that you test drove both and of course is obviously reversible

because saying on standardized tests are 0 to 60 similar
is miss leading ppl in their opinions

if a GT3 is not a GTS a GTS is not a GT3

in other words jumping from an S/GTS to a 3/RS is a totally different driving experience so different that driving them
you d have perceived 2 DIFFERENT cars

again notice there s no better statement but DIFFERENT

btw going to my personal pov is that a GT3 is the only 911 on Porsche production today
but this is another story because you have to drive it to make a decision

FastLaneTurbo

I drove the Turboed C2S, GT3RS and '17 TTS at my last Porsche Master's Course at Barber Motorsports Track last year and I was amazed how close it could stay to the
TTS and 3RS lapping with us. It was my first experience with the smaller 3.0 L TC engine in the Carrera, and it was the car that impressed me the most. It drove as a far lighter
and more nimble car around corners compared with the TTS, and the surprising low-RPM Torque of the C2S on Barber's Large Elevation Changes up the hills could pull the 3RS.
Although it did not drive with the GT3's precision, it came surprisingly close. Considering how close the average Torque through the useful Rev range of the C2S to the GT3,
and the hundreds of lbs of weight advantage of the GTS over the TTS, I would not be surprised that the GTS laptimes
on shorter tracks of all 3 cars would be very close if all cars were on comparable Tires.

ipse dixit

I see our patient here has a very high Blood Kool-Aid Content.

Terrence

The GTS is a great daily driver and the best 911 in the lineup for fun daily driving. It sounds good and rides really well what for it can do. Mine also has RWS so it handles pretty well too. Clutch is light and shift is light and reasonably precise. Steering is very good.

GT3 is just harder everywhere. Harder ride, steering, shifting (more precise and mechanical), seats (LWB). GTS is quick but GT3 actually has more torque everywhere and acceleration is more visceral and manic. Running around town at similar speeds ,the GTS will be operating at a higher average rpm than the GT3. GT3 can be louder when above 3700 rpm or so. Mine has center-muffler delete, so its even louder. All that adds up to a much more of an event when driving it compared to driving the GTS which is more of a very fun daily driver.