robmypro

Not sure I follow that last part, but the car has a lot of buzz. It would not be the first time a car went for way over MSRP. We'll just have to see!

Richard.

supply and demand and in this case the supply is unlimited

Richard.

& this is not a 991 GT3 RS haters thread, its a 991 GT3 RS realists thread; the 991 R was a limited production run (991) but it seems at least 4,000 991 GT3 RS globally were made which didn't have a manual gearbox and unfortunately didn't rev to 9,000 rpm. If you have one be happy its a great car, if you want one be happy as they are gonna be much cheaper, short term anyway...., in Europe at least the premium has already fallen $30k in the last 12 months and you can expect the same again now the 991.2.GT3 has 4.0L 500hp ,9000 rpm in manual

Jrtaylor9

Thank u. The 7-4.0 and frog are a little redundant and both plenty "over-valued" (esp the frog) but I can't convince myself to let go of either. The 4.0 is the more insane driving experience. The 7.1rs frog just makes me grin. We'll see on the UV. Haven't had it long enough to tell yet. But, come on, it's purple! I would have bet my life savings I'd never own a purple car, let alone lust after one. I literally hoped I didn't get PTS because I'd have been compelled to pass up UV for some shade of neon blue. Thought purple was awful when first came out; in love with it a few months later. I told a few friends, somehow Porsche made a purple car cool; next up is baby-**** brown. If we slap an RS badge on it, we'll eat it up.

The cars we are comparing on this thread are all amazing machines and I'd be thankful to own/drive any of them.

robmypro

But supply is never unlimited.

martinmp42

I find it strange to compare the value of current RS based on upcoming GT3. They are absolutely two different cars. I would not even consider to sell or trade my RS for the next GT3. I may consider buy it as an addition, but certainly not substitution.

Brosef

Can you explain what economic principles would cause RS prices to rise as a result of the GT3 hitting the market?

For prices to rise, either demand needs to go up or supply needs to go down. I don't see the demand for the RS going up as a direct result of a new car coming out, and I don't see supply changing unless you think a lot of these RS cars will erupt in flames.

Just because a new car comes out that is close to the same price doesn't mean that it will stoke incremental demand for the RS. Time will prove this.

This is to say nothing of what the long-term value of the RS will do - it very well might go up just like many 911s that have come before it, particularly as turbocharging and electrification continue to make these NA beasts more special. But the premise that new cars coming onto the market (be they an RS or not) is simply false.

Spyder Man

The engine of the 991.2 GT3 is a true race engine where as the 991.1 GT3s are not. This alone marks a huge difference in terms of desirability of these cars and I am not even bragging about the 9000rpm on the 991.2 yet.


Thus the 991.2 GT3s are more attractive than even the 991.1 RS in my eyes and especially for people who loves manual.


This leaves the question of who would want to buy a 991.1 RS if the 911.2 GT3 and 991.2 GT3RS are both available?


Most likely is that in the long run the 991.1 RS market value will drop substantially versus the 991.2s so people who want an RS but can't stretch to the 991.2 RS price will go for it.


To be honest people who buy these cars are not exactly short of cash so I would imagine the pricing gap in the 2nd hand market will be pretty substantial for the 991.1 vs the 911.2.

MsGT3

Of course people will want the 991.2 RS over the 991.1 RS... The same reason people now want the new GT3 over the previews one. It's new and better. But not everyone thinks the new GT3 is better than the current RS. They're different cars, one seems to be more track oriented with a lot more Downforce, roll cage, and many other stuff the new GT3 doesn't have.
I don't think the new GT3 replaces the current RS, that will happen once the new RS comes out.

Just in time

Well...I really don't know about this "race" engine. Unless being "derived" from one makes it a race engine. Not in my book. I have no idea how much has been "derived" and how much has not. My suspicion is that plenty of parts are different. I doubt PAG would put a true race engine is a street car. Not smart financially. I heard AP claim that the new "race" engine will never require adjustments to the valves whereas the Cup car has the "same" engine and looks at 80-100 hours use before rebuild/adjustments. For the same reason I much doubt the claim that the .2 has a race engine. Just my two bits.

Waxer

First off the engine in a new GT3 is not a "race engine". It is based on the same platform and utilizes the same or similar components. But if you think you can take the engine out of a standard GT3 and drop it in a GT 3R or RSR you are mistaken or naïve .

The new GT three is not a "race car". If you think it is you are again mistaken or naïve. It is a street/track performance car.

While through "your eyes" the 991.2 GT3 is more desirable than 991.1 GT3RS it is by far not how my eyes see it. Not even close.

If you have to have 9000 RPMs and a solid valve drain (which supposedly will need no maintenance an historic first) you now have your car. According to AP The new GT3 is the best GT3 they have made to date. I would expect him to say nothing less nor would I expect Porsche to come out with a car that wasn't better than the previous model. Of course AP also stated in the interview that the previous generation GT3 and RS are also a great cars. Which they are.

As to future values. All speculation. Very simply I expect large markups on the new GT3.2. At least 25000 to 30,000 over MSRP. This will keep 991.1 GT3 values stable and keep GT3 RS prices where they are or perhaps slightly higher.

Sounds like you would be one of those guys back in 2010 that through your 2007 997.1 RS under the bus for the new 2010 GT3. Bet all those guys wish they could get that one back.

By the way just in case you didn't know all previous street 996 GT3 and 997 GT3's were hydraulic valve train motors.

I'll stick with my antiquated 991 GT3 RS with its hydraulic valve train 8600 rpm engine all any day over the new GT3 any day. in fact my dealer asked me if I would be interested in a new GT3. I said no. I have zero interest in the car compared to my RS. I am currently on the list for the GT two RS and will wait for that one and decide.

As I've said before there are approximately 3500 RS worldwide. I have done the calculations. Furthermore it seems fairly well-established that there are approximately 1400 RS in the US and Canada. This is the only relevant number to me living in the United States. I could not care less how many RS are in Germany Switzerland Asia Taiwan UK etc. Especially the right hand drive cars.

P.S. I expect the 991 RS to still be faster than the new GT3 on most tracks.

997rs4.0

If a car is made in small volumes and are special they have a chance to hold value and in some cases even appreciate.
991RS has the heritage but unfortunately for those that care about the value of these cars rather than driving them, you will be disappointed.
Porsche produced more 991rs than 991.1gt3! Already way to many 991rs for sale to be able to keep the premiums over msrp.

For most RS owners this is irrelevant because they bought to drive or put in a garage for 25 years.
Good value guideline for those looking is the 993tt. (If I rememeber correctly they are produced in similar numbers) Those cars are back at msrp after 20 years. Expect similar outcome for 991rs.

Waxer

So all 35 in Switzerland are for sale? Guess there all getting .2

Just how many are in Switzerland?

There are 1400 or so in North America. That's the only relevant number to me

Waxer

What constitutes Small volume is relative to desirability. Turbos have never had the same desirability as GT cars especially RSs. RS desirability was off the hook and its still a car lusted after.

I disagree with you but we shall see. This is especially so if 991RS is the only 991RS. So far it kinda looks that way. If 991RS value drops the rest will drop including 997 variants.

992 GT3/RS likely to be mid engine terror a la' RSR And will have .2GT3 owners dumping their .2s this will leave the 991RS as the last rear engined 911RS.

mooty

i think there will be 991.2RS and .1RS will plummet in price
i gather msrp - 50k for PTS low mile cars
non pts cars you should just donate to charity, the next tax savings will be financially supeirior than selling outright. and u will be rewarded with moral victory as well

should u have PTS RS for sale, i am a ready buyer at msrp - 50k any day of the week