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Old 06-09-2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
allows the car to have power steering even when the engine is not running (useful with Porsche's start/stop system).
Not sure this is really a reason. When the engine is stopped the power steering is also dead. If you move the wheel just a bit, the engine starts back up and you have power steering again.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Todd B
When the engine is stopped the power steering is also dead. If you move the wheel just a bit, the engine starts back up and you have power steering again.
Interesting - didn't know that... Then I'm afraid we're back to "costs less" and saves a fraction of a mpg...
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Electric steering saves a tiny bit of fuel and allows the car to have power steering even when the engine is not running (useful with Porsche's start/stop system). And it weighs a little less and costs less to make.

But most of these advantages (not weight and cost) are overcome when using a hydraulic steering system where the hydraulic pump is spun by an electric motor rather than from the engine's crank (as is done in McLaren road cars and Porsche factory 911 race cars).
Thank you for the explanation Grant.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Electric steering saves a tiny bit of fuel and allows the car to have power steering even when the engine is not running (useful with Porsche's start/stop system). And it weighs a little less and costs less to make.

But most of these advantages (not weight and cost) are overcome when using a hydraulic steering system where the hydraulic pump is spun by an electric motor rather than from the engine's crank (as is done in McLaren road cars and Porsche factory 911 race cars).
Between the 570S (hydraulic) and the GT3 (electric), I prefer the GT3 steering.

With electric steering, I think alot of it comes down to modulation. The 488 is comically bad.
Old 06-11-2017, 09:56 AM
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Good article. We all need to thank AP for what he's done. I'd like to know more about his driving background.
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He wants to make 10% fewer cars than the market demands.

So much for cracking down on flippers.
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Originally Posted by turbo8765
He wants to make 10% fewer cars than the market demands.

So much for cracking down on flippers.
“I always want to make 10 fewer cars than the market desires.”

10 cars is not 10%.
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and I disagree, make 10 cars more than the market demands so you customers will come back again and again, the monkey business with flipping etc will end, every car Mclaren sells is likely an unhappy
GT3/GT4 non allocation customer
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The problem is what determines "true" demand. True demand would be those Porsche enthusiasts who truly want to purchase and enjoy these cars on the road/track.

The artificial demand is those looking to take advantage of the moment trying to gain Financially on this purchase which includes those looking for a free ride for a fixed amount of time
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
The artificial demand is those looking to take advantage of the moment trying to gain Financially on this purchase which includes those looking for a free ride for a fixed amount of time
requiring a first right of refusal at MSRP for the first 2 years would stop those people
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and I disagree, make 10 cars more than the market demands so you customers will come back again and again, the monkey business with flipping etc will end, every car Mclaren sells is likely an unhappy
GT3/GT4 non allocation customer
I think AP's point is that they can't produce an oversupply of these cars because they have to make the business case within Porsche, and having cars sit unsold for long periods would impact that. So they initially estimate demand on the low side, produce cars to meet that estimate, then produce more cars if the demand is still there. Pretty much everybody gets their car eventually, but some patience may be required.

As far as flipping, if it really bothers you, blame the buyer who overpays as much as the one who flips. No one is forced to overpay. That said, the VIP program understandably irritates loyal customers who aren't VIPs, and Porsche needs to consider whether the program makes good business sense.
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Originally Posted by dark knight
and I disagree, make 10 cars more than the market demands so you customers will come back again and again, the monkey business with flipping etc will end, every car Mclaren sells is likely an unhappy
GT3/GT4 non allocation customer
^^^ This
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How do you think will the inside feel compare between new gt3 and 911r regarding noise and rawness (engine + hearing mechanical deatils)?


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