997rs4.0

In my opinion you are actually not worthy to own such a great car as a 991rs.
Should go to true enthusiasts.

Good night! 💤

STG

Can we get back to discussing the 991.2 GT3??

Take the drama elsewhere.

MM3.9GT3

Agree. Back on topic. There are many changes to the 991.2 outside the obvious one, the engine. The rear wing sits further back, and is taller. There are some suspension tweaks as well. My guess is that it is at least a second faster per minute of lap time than the 991.1 on equal tires.

ATXGT3

Yep

Having owned both .1GT3 and .1GT3RS I'm stoked for the .2 owners.

STG

The taller wing should definitely be better for rear window vision.

Porsche always makes the "next one" just enough better than the last one to get everyone excited.

BCMgunner

Here's a wingless GT3 .2 spotted:
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/28/s...-without-wing/

Let the games begin.[/QUOTE]

Car has 918 bucket seats (not foldable variant) which leads me to believe no back seats. Which leads me to believe this is an "R" successor and not a "GT3 Touring package".

All speculation of course!

Jimmy-D

They certainly did a bunch of tweaks which so far I like except will take some time to get used to those rear deck scoops. I think the game changer here is the new engine. That is really where my focus will be as more reviews ectopic come out. Also, time will tell about its durability but that is also why pushing for a later allocation which has been granted

Drifting

agree it will take time to get used to the rear deck scoops. I'm going to paint mine body color, along with the wing endplate and lower part of the mirrors. That will help me adapt to the other cosmetic changes of the .2

Also agree that time will tell about its durability. This is one reason I'm getting a second year car, as I learned my lesson about getting an early new car last time as I was 3 days away from flying to Germany for ED of my 2014 GT3, when the stop sale came down.

I'd rather avoid any drama with ADM and allocations, and any early engine issues, by going for a second year GT3 (MY 2019) this time around.

ATXGT3

Agree second year car is probably safer.

However, I'm looking forward to owners getting their .2's and get some real reviews.

CAlexio

I think the only people worried about R values, were those who couldn't get an allocation for an R. I know quite a few R owners, and.. frankly.. they don't give a ****. There is a lot of assumption which goes just by the very nature of the forum.. but sometimes it gets to a point of fantasy speculation.

-porsche doesn't worry about previous car values.
-porsche never sold the R as anything more than what it was.. a fantastic combination of special parts which came together to create a unique vehicle.
-R owners aren't concerned about values... those making payments on a gt4 worry about values.

i'm going to create an Chrome browser extension which identifies when a conversation relates to values on this forum and then deletes for the user who downloads the extension. I'll offer it for free to Rennlist members. Then rennlist will not feel like a ferrari forum anymore, and will go back to being about driving.

IrishAndy

That would delete half of the posts right now. It's largely domain to the GT boards... Lots of (often subtle) posts that are designed boost the perception one car vs. another, or hammer one car vs. another. In most cases you can guess which car people have their own money parked in based on their posts. Manifold's post seemed more like just a general market observation though, so I'm certainly not putting his post in that category.

It's like the market value element has become so important with these cars that the enthusiast element sometimes takes a back seat. Pretty sad.

white6speed

Remember when the speculators just about took the collector market in the tank in the '80-90s. Cars became investments in lieu of stocks and the real car guys got pushed out of the market. L88/L89 Vetts and real Shelby 427 Cobras climbed to $1M +.
Once the GT3 and the RS hit the road a lot of this discussion will calm down maybe. I do believe once the Car Mag articles hit the publishers with the GT3 on the front cover this may/will start these conversations all over again.

Manifold

For context, I was responding to this post: https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14145633

MM3.9GT3

Thanks. If we, as a community, stopped responding to these nonsensical posts, the trolls would go away.

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it*

* George Bernard Shaw

usctrojanGT3

Agreed for the most part, but there are 918 owner flippers who do think about the value as they want to maximize their profit.