bluehorseshoe

Oops missed this post... Karl, approximately how much abuse did they withstand before failure. Did the fronts fail first? Or did you have to replace all four at the same time? Thx

robmypro

I think you are right. If i started tracking this car heavily i would do the swap. No way i give up pccb's on the street. Besides, my seat belts are yellow.

tonymission

Haven't heard any noise from mine... my GT3 had steel rotors and they were pretty loud unless just recently cleaned. My understanding is that not everyone's experience there is the same (better bedding techniques?), but I can only speak for my own.

robmypro

My pccb's squeak occasionally. I can't say i have noticed it lately, but that might be because IT'S WINTER. ugh.

mass27

Because they match your seat belts and much less dust than steel. Any other reasons why you would never give up PCCB?

I'm not saying those 2 reasons aren't enough.

tonymission

More stopping power?
Anecdotal, I admit, but my track instructors were screaming for me to brake earlier at the end of the straightaway since they're used to the steel rotors on their RS's. They both were surprised when we slowed down too early for the turn after I listened to them. Maybe I'm just a slower driver than they are... well, I AM a slower driver. lol

Jimmy-D

Nope- the squeak the same. If I tracked I would do Steel and if it was just for the road PCCBs ifbyou do not mind coughing up the additioal dough

ChrisF

If you want less squeak and more stopping power for steels, go Race Tech. RE10 pads. Quieter than stock and better stopping power on street and track.

As far as stopping power steel vs. PCCB, would love to see real data showing appreciable difference.

robmypro

Less weight. Modern tech. Seat belts!

Alan C.

I made the same switch. Fortunately I made the switch after Karl and a few others posted their issues thus saving me some expensive boat anchors.

The Girodisc with Ferodo DS1.11 for track or DS2500 for street/light track worked well for me. I'll try a set of DS1.11 for track and street this spring on the Smokies trip. Carl at Apex was great to work with.

GrantG

Actually, I think the issue is a bit more complicated than this. The calipers for PCCB are machined differently and need to be used with the huge 410mm front rotors. Yes, you can substitute for iron ones but they need to be much heavier than the stock 380mm ones.

With the Red standard calipers, you can add spacers to use a larger rotor or choose a variety of aftermarket iron 2-piece or carbon ceramic ones from Surface Transforms which are more highly rated than PCCB by some, but you cannot use smaller than 410mm rotors on the PCCB yellow calipers. So in some senses, the Red ones are the more flexible choice.

And the standard 380mm iron rotors with the Brembo (Race Technologies) RE-10 pads are pretty hard to fault!

Archimedes

Initially I was thinking if I got a .2 allocation, I'd likely go iron so I had more track day flexibility. But the more I think about it and the more I drive my current car with PCCBs, I'm pretty sure I'll chicken out and check the PCCB box, future maintenance cost be damned.

bluehorseshoe

One things for sure... Brembo is the dominant player, and if we owned their stock (+630% past 5 years) we could all splurge on disposable ceramic brakes with less trepidation.



Still a relatively small Italian company at $4.1B valuation.

Only a matter of time before they figure out a way to make them last a lot longer.
Cool technology.

GrantG

This could very well be the right choice for you, but just realize that replacing the 4 rotors costs in the neighborhood of $20k

CAlexio

You think they want to make them last longer?? It would seem that there is good money to made on people replacing pccb after a few track days.