Allocation Premium
02-01-2017, 06:28 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
Me too! Started at the very bottom of this thread, and somehow got sucked in!
02-01-2017, 09:03 PM
#33
Race Director
Dealers do not set the Prmiums. Us idoot Consumers help set it for them. If no one would pay mark-ups they would not exist. Lets wait and see the specs and reviews before we get too excited. It has to be really good enough for me to trade my GT4, which I love.
02-01-2017, 09:32 PM
#34
Jimmy-D has it right. Just don't pay the mark up. How many cars would the
flippers buy if they could not make a profit? All the cars that have 100 miles with
the excuse of I have no room for the car etc. etc. At least come out and say I only
bought the car to make money. They would all still have them and would not do it again this round if we did not pay the mark up. So if you paid over you are part of the problem.
flippers buy if they could not make a profit? All the cars that have 100 miles with
the excuse of I have no room for the car etc. etc. At least come out and say I only
bought the car to make money. They would all still have them and would not do it again this round if we did not pay the mark up. So if you paid over you are part of the problem.
02-01-2017, 10:45 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
I have never chimed in on one of these (MSRP and markup discussions), but I feel compelled to tell my story, and draw some conclusions based on mostly fact and some opinion. This also supports my new year’s resolution to try to post more and add value to the group, this one only meets the post more side, as there is no new info here.
1) I have purchased 4 GT cars in the last 6 years, not a lot by this board’s standard, but more than one or two. (fact)
2) I have paid exactly MSRP for all of them from the two dealers I have worked with. (fact)
3) I was never asked to pay over MSRP, and it was never raised. They never tried to convince me that I was getting a break or a good deal.(fact)
4) One fell in the PTS window, I took the place of a person who had to pass, it really wasn’t my car, I was Johnny come lately, when they called me, they did not ask for an extra dime. (fact)
5) I know several individuals who have purchased GT cars from these individuals, zero of them paid under or over MSRP, all of them paid exactly MSRP.(fact)
6) Right now I am in good shape for a GT2 RS, provided in does not have a numbered plate, then, like the 911 R, 997 4.0, etc., etc., Under that scenario, probably dead in the water. (Opinion)
7) This time (GT2 RS) the dealer did not even take the deposit, I filled out the paperwork and he said, “don’t worry about it”.(fact)
Conclusion, and I have by best and thickest flame suit on, my opinion is that many Porsche dealers have character, and have the same business approach many of us have with our own businesses, or would have as it pertains to the customers (Same as I am sure CJ will have). Some are opportunist of the worst kind, as such, there is no way to predict how far they might go. (example: PTS Turbo Cab that’s for sale in the $300’s posted on this board). To paint them with the same brush is not reality. Those with character and customer values are predictable, the opportunist behaviors are not predictable, and never will be.
1) I have purchased 4 GT cars in the last 6 years, not a lot by this board’s standard, but more than one or two. (fact)
2) I have paid exactly MSRP for all of them from the two dealers I have worked with. (fact)
3) I was never asked to pay over MSRP, and it was never raised. They never tried to convince me that I was getting a break or a good deal.(fact)
4) One fell in the PTS window, I took the place of a person who had to pass, it really wasn’t my car, I was Johnny come lately, when they called me, they did not ask for an extra dime. (fact)
5) I know several individuals who have purchased GT cars from these individuals, zero of them paid under or over MSRP, all of them paid exactly MSRP.(fact)
6) Right now I am in good shape for a GT2 RS, provided in does not have a numbered plate, then, like the 911 R, 997 4.0, etc., etc., Under that scenario, probably dead in the water. (Opinion)
7) This time (GT2 RS) the dealer did not even take the deposit, I filled out the paperwork and he said, “don’t worry about it”.(fact)
Conclusion, and I have by best and thickest flame suit on, my opinion is that many Porsche dealers have character, and have the same business approach many of us have with our own businesses, or would have as it pertains to the customers (Same as I am sure CJ will have). Some are opportunist of the worst kind, as such, there is no way to predict how far they might go. (example: PTS Turbo Cab that’s for sale in the $300’s posted on this board). To paint them with the same brush is not reality. Those with character and customer values are predictable, the opportunist behaviors are not predictable, and never will be.
02-01-2017, 11:21 PM
#38
Nordschleife Master
I try and keep it simple. Whether you pay under, over or at MSRP, do so and don't worry about what anyone else is doing. Take care of your own house b/c nobody else will.
02-02-2017, 12:43 AM
#39
^^^ Bingo, I think people see value differently. One may pay MSRP, and wait because time is not an element. Next guy my pay over suggested retail price to have it now because time has move value than the dollars. The two tatics are neither wrong or right, and I have learned in business never but your purchasing values in another mans wallet. I'm sure many on this board buying a RS is 10% of their income anually, and if they pay a premium I'm sure they will recoup that in some other business deal and call it the price of doing business.
I hope all get the car they want, but really care less if someone paid more or less than suggested retail ......... you have to feel good about your deal. If the dealer offered us all cars at -20k not sure there would be a position the dealer is under charging the customers?? The market will be set by the consumers, and the consumers have shown open wallets for now which could change hell who knows.
I hope all get the car they want, but really care less if someone paid more or less than suggested retail ......... you have to feel good about your deal. If the dealer offered us all cars at -20k not sure there would be a position the dealer is under charging the customers?? The market will be set by the consumers, and the consumers have shown open wallets for now which could change hell who knows.
02-02-2017, 12:49 AM
#40
I think it would be better if they just did away with MSRP on these types of cars. Have Porsche just charge the dealers a consistent invoice price for the base car and each option and then let each dealer set the price at whatever they want for their given market. Let the market determine the market clearing price, just like it does in the secondary market. Eliminates the flippers, gets the cars to the people who value them the most and, theoretically at least, gets the dealers the best price possible on each car.
02-02-2017, 01:55 AM
#41
I think it would be better if they just did away with MSRP on these types of cars. Have Porsche just charge the dealers a consistent invoice price for the base car and each option and then let each dealer set the price at whatever they want for their given market. Let the market determine the market clearing price, just like it does in the secondary market. Eliminates the flippers, gets the cars to the people who value them the most and, theoretically at least, gets the dealers the best price possible on each car.
02-02-2017, 01:57 AM
#42
I have never chimed in on one of these (MSRP and markup discussions), but I feel compelled to tell my story, and draw some conclusions based on mostly fact and some opinion. This also supports my new year’s resolution to try to post more and add value to the group, this one only meets the post more side, as there is no new info here.
1) I have purchased 4 GT cars in the last 6 years, not a lot by this board’s standard, but more than one or two. (fact)
2) I have paid exactly MSRP for all of them from the two dealers I have worked with. (fact)
3) I was never asked to pay over MSRP, and it was never raised. They never tried to convince me that I was getting a break or a good deal.(fact)
4) One fell in the PTS window, I took the place of a person who had to pass, it really wasn’t my car, I was Johnny come lately, when they called me, they did not ask for an extra dime. (fact)
5) I know several individuals who have purchased GT cars from these individuals, zero of them paid under or over MSRP, all of them paid exactly MSRP.(fact)
6) Right now I am in good shape for a GT2 RS, provided in does not have a numbered plate, then, like the 911 R, 997 4.0, etc., etc., Under that scenario, probably dead in the water. (Opinion)
7) This time (GT2 RS) the dealer did not even take the deposit, I filled out the paperwork and he said, “don’t worry about it”.(fact)
Conclusion, and I have by best and thickest flame suit on, my opinion is that many Porsche dealers have character, and have the same business approach many of us have with our own businesses, or would have as it pertains to the customers (Same as I am sure CJ will have). Some are opportunist of the worst kind, as such, there is no way to predict how far they might go. (example: PTS Turbo Cab that’s for sale in the $300’s posted on this board). To paint them with the same brush is not reality. Those with character and customer values are predictable, the opportunist behaviors are not predictable, and never will be.
1) I have purchased 4 GT cars in the last 6 years, not a lot by this board’s standard, but more than one or two. (fact)
2) I have paid exactly MSRP for all of them from the two dealers I have worked with. (fact)
3) I was never asked to pay over MSRP, and it was never raised. They never tried to convince me that I was getting a break or a good deal.(fact)
4) One fell in the PTS window, I took the place of a person who had to pass, it really wasn’t my car, I was Johnny come lately, when they called me, they did not ask for an extra dime. (fact)
5) I know several individuals who have purchased GT cars from these individuals, zero of them paid under or over MSRP, all of them paid exactly MSRP.(fact)
6) Right now I am in good shape for a GT2 RS, provided in does not have a numbered plate, then, like the 911 R, 997 4.0, etc., etc., Under that scenario, probably dead in the water. (Opinion)
7) This time (GT2 RS) the dealer did not even take the deposit, I filled out the paperwork and he said, “don’t worry about it”.(fact)
Conclusion, and I have by best and thickest flame suit on, my opinion is that many Porsche dealers have character, and have the same business approach many of us have with our own businesses, or would have as it pertains to the customers (Same as I am sure CJ will have). Some are opportunist of the worst kind, as such, there is no way to predict how far they might go. (example: PTS Turbo Cab that’s for sale in the $300’s posted on this board). To paint them with the same brush is not reality. Those with character and customer values are predictable, the opportunist behaviors are not predictable, and never will be.
02-02-2017, 02:52 AM
#43
Originally Posted by Maverick787
^^^ Bingo, I think people see value differently. One may pay MSRP, and wait because time is not an element. Next guy my pay over suggested retail price to have it now because time has move value than the dollars. The two tatics are neither wrong or right, and I have learned in business never but your purchasing values in another mans wallet. I'm sure many on this board buying a RS is 10% of their income anually, and if they pay a premium I'm sure they will recoup that in some other business deal and call it the price of doing business.
I hope all get the car they want, but really care less if someone paid more or less than suggested retail ......... you have to feel good about your deal. If the dealer offered us all cars at -20k not sure there would be a position the dealer is under charging the customers?? The market will be set by the consumers, and the consumers have shown open wallets for now which could change hell who knows.
I hope all get the car they want, but really care less if someone paid more or less than suggested retail ......... you have to feel good about your deal. If the dealer offered us all cars at -20k not sure there would be a position the dealer is under charging the customers?? The market will be set by the consumers, and the consumers have shown open wallets for now which could change hell who knows.
02-02-2017, 02:57 AM
#44
The problem are those that buy as investment. Paying over and then coming on here to "protect" their investment. My car is so unique, production numbers are very low, they won't make any anymore, etc,etc. That gets boring. Once the market correct itself all of those will be gone. Porsche GT cars are not interesting anymore.
02-02-2017, 09:22 AM
#45
Rennlist Member
Conclusion, and I have by best and thickest flame suit on, my opinion is that many Porsche dealers have character, and have the same business approach many of us have with our own businesses, or would have as it pertains to the customers (Same as I am sure CJ will have). Some are opportunist of the worst kind, as such, there is no way to predict how far they might go. (example: PTS Turbo Cab that’s for sale in the $300’s posted on this board). To paint them with the same brush is not reality. Those with character and customer values are predictable, the opportunist behaviors are not predictable, and never will be.