911 R available for $530,000
. Plus, changing the direction of PDK-S and on and on..
11-22-2016, 09:45 PM
#48
Originally Posted by Archimedes
I'm sorry, wut? Are you assuming that all car collectors are either part of the 918 VIP program or similarly viewed by a premier dealer? Because there seem to be a lot of collectors wanting one but with no R coming in anytime soon.
And you think the buy side of this market are uninformed buyers being convinced by friends???
There ARE R's changing hands at very high prices. Is there enough demand for them ALL to do so, probably not. But they'll all likely command some form of heavy premium. Those 'waiting for one at MSRP' might as well just type 'I'll never own an R.'
And you think the buy side of this market are uninformed buyers being convinced by friends???
There ARE R's changing hands at very high prices. Is there enough demand for them ALL to do so, probably not. But they'll all likely command some form of heavy premium. Those 'waiting for one at MSRP' might as well just type 'I'll never own an R.'
Everything has started to slow down. Not only the modern GT/RS/r.
If someone is dumb enough to pay $500k for a $200k car, be my guest. All the rich dudes that I know didn't get rich because being dumb.
11-22-2016, 09:46 PM
#49
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I'm not actually sure which is the bigger group - is it the die hard car
guys with the money to actually buy these cars, or is it the 918 owners
+ collectors who do the flipping.
Because in the end, to me it looks like the 918 VIPs are getting a ton
of value - maybe underserved, but it will probably attract future
buyers who missed out on that.
Just saying that from Porsche NA viewpoint, the whole thing
is probably working out great. Even if there's an economic
downturn, they aren't going to lose many of the 918 VIPs
and people that are on the cusp are going to jump at a
similar opportunity next time.
And I don't really know that they
are pissing off the "die-hard" people that much that they
won't buy high-end Pcars again.
guys with the money to actually buy these cars, or is it the 918 owners
+ collectors who do the flipping.
Because in the end, to me it looks like the 918 VIPs are getting a ton
of value - maybe underserved, but it will probably attract future
buyers who missed out on that.
Just saying that from Porsche NA viewpoint, the whole thing
is probably working out great. Even if there's an economic
downturn, they aren't going to lose many of the 918 VIPs
and people that are on the cusp are going to jump at a
similar opportunity next time.
And I don't really know that they
are pissing off the "die-hard" people that much that they
won't buy high-end Pcars again.
u should do BOTH
11-22-2016, 10:19 PM
#52
Race Director
Detlev von Platen:
“More important is to see how we act, how we behave. If you have a Porsche dealership with a lot of cars on its lot, where the demand is not balanced with supply, then you begin to behave in a way that would not be exclusive. I get more problems with people calling me saying, ‘Why can’t I get the car I want?’ Remember the outcry with the 911R? Porsche has to be exclusive. This is how we create with credibility what we want, aspiration."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markewin.../#357373622d85
“More important is to see how we act, how we behave. If you have a Porsche dealership with a lot of cars on its lot, where the demand is not balanced with supply, then you begin to behave in a way that would not be exclusive. I get more problems with people calling me saying, ‘Why can’t I get the car I want?’ Remember the outcry with the 911R? Porsche has to be exclusive. This is how we create with credibility what we want, aspiration."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markewin.../#357373622d85
11-22-2016, 10:31 PM
#53
Burning Brakes
Again, the guys dropping $300-400k over on an R likely have that in their sofa cushions. They probably wouldn't bat an eye if that money evaporated. Why does everyone think others have the same means and perspectives that they do?
If I had that money lying around, I'd pay the huge premium, drive the **** out of it and enjoy every second of it. Probably more people like that than you think.
If I had that money lying around, I'd pay the huge premium, drive the **** out of it and enjoy every second of it. Probably more people like that than you think.
Many people on RL assume they are at the top and are smarter, blah,blah. Depending on what circle you are in, $500K is a lot or just some fuel and landing fees for the G650.
11-22-2016, 10:58 PM
#54
Believe what you want. Last spring I got bombarded with solid offers on my 996rs and 997rs4.0!
Everything has started to slow down. Not only the modern GT/RS/r.
If someone is dumb enough to pay $500k for a $200k car, be my guest. All the rich dudes that I know didn't get rich because being dumb.
Everything has started to slow down. Not only the modern GT/RS/r.
If someone is dumb enough to pay $500k for a $200k car, be my guest. All the rich dudes that I know didn't get rich because being dumb.
11-23-2016, 12:25 AM
#55
Originally Posted by Archimedes
Except what you don't realize, because you don't necessarily have the perspective of the ultra wealthy, is that they don't see that as a loss, but simply the cost of owning and driving the car. Again, $500k is the bill for a weekend of travel for some of these guys. Perspectives are very different and assessing whether something is smart or dumb from your narrow perspective is meaningless. By your definition, just about anything the ultra wealthy does with their money other than investing it is dumb.
Some are car lovers just like you and me and own beautiful collections. Still impressed with how aware and up to date most of these guys are when it comes to their hobbies and spending money wisely.
Let's burry the ax and wish the seller GLWS. He will need it to get $500k.
11-23-2016, 12:37 AM
#56
Race Director
Originally Posted by Archimedes
Except what you don't realize, because you don't necessarily have the perspective of the ultra wealthy, is that they don't see that as a loss, but simply the cost of owning and driving the car. Again, $500k is the bill for a weekend of travel for some of these guys. Perspectives are very different and assessing whether something is smart or dumb from your narrow perspective is meaningless. By your definition, just about anything the ultra wealthy does with their money other than investing it is dumb.
The "ultra wealthy" are picking up Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, RR, Bentley, and McLaren's more than P cars.
Even then, they still ask for dealer discounts and don't like paying MSRP.
11-23-2016, 12:55 AM
#57
11-23-2016, 12:57 AM
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11-23-2016, 01:15 AM
#59
Not sure that it'll be $50k over but $25k-$30k for sure. Guess who gets the first batch of the GT3s creating that premium? That's right, the VIP guys who'll be flipping the cars like no more since they already have/had an R. Then the stealers will get in on the game (even previously good dealers will morph into stealers with all the dollar signs) and we'll have a repeat of the RS but at the end of the day Porsche will keep pumping out GT3s and the prices will drift towards MSRP just like what is happening with the RSs.
11-23-2016, 01:16 AM
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