Is anyone really sure of what the new 991 GT3 and RS are going to be?
09-05-2016, 12:56 AM
#31
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All of this talk of building a relationship with the dealers is off putting to me. Having dealt with new and used car dealers in my business for nearly 20 years I can tell you that I'd trust any dealer about as much as I'd trust ol' Hillary. Most are total one way douchebags. I want to buy a car not get into bed with them... or Hil for that matter.
trust NO ONE.
with divorce rate so high in USA, one barely trust his wife why should one ever trust dealer?
09-05-2016, 03:04 AM
#32
So basically there's no reason to even try and build a relationship with most dealers.
09-05-2016, 03:21 AM
#33
Depositers hope to have right of first refusal when there is news. Sometimes dealers follow their list, sometimes they dont. General thinking is get on a list or be left with scraps with market adjustments. It's generally a modest deposit. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
09-05-2016, 06:36 AM
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09-05-2016, 01:37 PM
#35
All of this talk of building a relationship with the dealers is off putting to me. Having dealt with new and used car dealers in my business for nearly 20 years I can tell you that I'd trust any dealer about as much as I'd trust ol' Hillary. Most are total one way douchebags. I want to buy a car not get into bed with them... or Hil for that matter.
Paying $2K a month (rough estimate of $24K depreciation a year) to a dealer is not the definition of establishing a relationship. Essentially every person who states that this is the best method to get an allocation on future GT cars is wealthy and can afford paying yearly depreciation.
Does this mean that if lowly me can "only" afford a $200K GT car once every 7 years means I shouldn't have the opportunity to purchase one new?
Please just be honest and say "I can afford to purchase a new car every 12-18 months and that is how I ESTABLISHED a relationship with my dealer."
Am I jealous? Nope. Just tell me my money is no good here.
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09-05-2016, 02:39 PM
#37
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Not everyone buys their RS at list. All GT cars have some depreciation, my lowly GT3 is taking a long overdue hit now. Mass27's point is valid, what a silly term, "relationship"- more of an oxymoron when paired with the word "dealer".
Back on topic, the next gen except for manual transmission will be just a slight upgrade as others state. One thing for sure though, with the manual tranny and naturally aspirated it will put that "D" word into 991.1 and 997 GT3 prices.
Back on topic, the next gen except for manual transmission will be just a slight upgrade as others state. One thing for sure though, with the manual tranny and naturally aspirated it will put that "D" word into 991.1 and 997 GT3 prices.
09-05-2016, 03:03 PM
#38
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Right. Everything over MSRP should be written off imidiately. If not you're gambling.
If we are talking about getting on the list and relation building with a dealer, I assume at MSRP. If over you don't have a relation.
Not coming down to who has the most money, rather coming down to having an honest dealer and get a deposit in early. And luck. If you managed that, you can have no depreciation since 2007. Even if you do, well below any other 150K plus car you could take to the track.
If we are talking about getting on the list and relation building with a dealer, I assume at MSRP. If over you don't have a relation.
Not coming down to who has the most money, rather coming down to having an honest dealer and get a deposit in early. And luck. If you managed that, you can have no depreciation since 2007. Even if you do, well below any other 150K plus car you could take to the track.
09-05-2016, 03:13 PM
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I will take your comment and raise you. Can someone explain how "building a relationship with your dealer" has become defined as "purchasing a highly depreciating asset once a year, then giving it back to the dealer to purchase another highly depreciating asset."
Paying $2K a month (rough estimate of $24K depreciation a year) to a dealer is not the definition of establishing a relationship. Essentially every person who states that this is the best method to get an allocation on future GT cars is wealthy and can afford paying yearly depreciation.
Does this mean that if lowly me can "only" afford a $200K GT car once every 7 years means I shouldn't have the opportunity to purchase one new?
Please just be honest and say "I can afford to purchase a new car every 12-18 months and that is how I ESTABLISHED a relationship with my dealer."
Am I jealous? Nope. Just tell me my money is no good here.
Paying $2K a month (rough estimate of $24K depreciation a year) to a dealer is not the definition of establishing a relationship. Essentially every person who states that this is the best method to get an allocation on future GT cars is wealthy and can afford paying yearly depreciation.
Does this mean that if lowly me can "only" afford a $200K GT car once every 7 years means I shouldn't have the opportunity to purchase one new?
Please just be honest and say "I can afford to purchase a new car every 12-18 months and that is how I ESTABLISHED a relationship with my dealer."
Am I jealous? Nope. Just tell me my money is no good here.
09-05-2016, 03:27 PM
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Way too complicated to me.
I guess I am not wealthy enough or just not enough of a real "enthusiast" (or probably both) to just trust Porsche to produce something at a reasonable price that I am going to love and not be a dud.
Is anyone really sure that the next generation GT or RS is going to offer a manual transmission or even be normally aspirated?
I guess I am not wealthy enough or just not enough of a real "enthusiast" (or probably both) to just trust Porsche to produce something at a reasonable price that I am going to love and not be a dud.
Is anyone really sure that the next generation GT or RS is going to offer a manual transmission or even be normally aspirated?
09-05-2016, 04:00 PM
#41
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Maybe I'm just a simple guy or can't figure out why so many are overthinking this and get so bent out of shape? A relationship with dealer does not mean you must buy a car every month or every year etc etc? In many cases it simply means you'll fulfill your commitment and you expect the dealer to fulfill its commitments within what they control (again transparency is name of game). You simply provide a deposit and remain loyal until they treat you otherwise....you are in control and make the calls. You don't like it then move on, try another store, go to different brand, or just don't buy but you control next step. This market craziness will come to halt in cars at some point. Many many great dealers exist out there and have a staff that understands how to respectfully treat clients, and many many many others do not. You can't control who is bad apple so stop with all the emotions. The industry and reputation management will at some point change the way in which Porsches are purchased in future but that time has not come yet so simply make your decisions based on what YOU can control which is where and when your money is spent. Many on rennlist have contacts with dealers you can do business with and be treated the way that might work for you. Is it frustrating being stuck with a crappy dealer in your area? Yes, of course it is then buy a Porsche out of market from another dealer and ship in....again you ultimately control the purchase with your yes and no's.
09-05-2016, 04:15 PM
#42
Maybe I'm just a simple guy or can't figure out why so many are overthinking this and get so bent out of shape? A relationship with dealer does not mean you must buy a car every month or every year etc etc? In many cases it simply means you'll fulfill your commitment and you expect the dealer to fulfill its commitments within what they control (again transparency is name of game). You simply provide a deposit and remain loyal until they treat you otherwise....you are in control and make the calls. You don't like it then move on, try another store, go to different brand, or just don't buy but you control next step. This market craziness will come to halt in cars at some point. Many many great dealers exist out there and have a staff that understands how to respectfully treat clients, and many many many others do not. You can't control who is bad apple so stop with all the emotions. The industry and reputation management will at some point change the way in which Porsches are purchased in future but that time has not come yet so simply make your decisions based on what YOU can control which is where and when your money is spent. Many on rennlist have contacts with dealers you can do business with and be treated the way that might work for you. Is it frustrating being stuck with a crappy dealer in your area? Yes, of course it is then buy a Porsche out of market from another dealer and ship in....again you ultimately control the purchase with your yes and no's.
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Well said!
09-05-2016, 04:16 PM
#43
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This. I was pondering the same thing while I was suv shopping and wondering if a Cayenne or Macan might help with a GT3 allocation. Then, out of the blue my SA offered me an RS for $60k over msrp less than 6 months after picking up my GT4 and i think that answered my question.
09-05-2016, 04:42 PM
#44
This. I was pondering the same thing while I was suv shopping and wondering if a Cayenne or Macan might help with a GT3 allocation. Then, out of the blue my SA offered me an RS for $60k over msrp less than 6 months after picking up my GT4 and i think that answered my question.
09-05-2016, 05:06 PM
#45
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Nobody is 100% sure unless AP wants to chime in and tell us. Odds are in favour of both though. Both meaning in the GT3. Up in the air regarding the RS.