991 GT2RS
06-07-2017, 05:37 PM
#1441
Has anyone read/heard what the bumpers will be made from?
Super excited for the car though.
06-07-2017, 05:37 PM
#1442
06-08-2017, 03:29 AM
#1443
I read the post. These are reasons but they are not valid reasons for the solutions that are being discussed (IMO). Porsche was running 700+hp with turbos in endurance racing in the 90s and with less than 3L of displacement. The 997 GT2 RS, is rated at 612hp and doesn't have the aero drag the new 991.2 GT2 RS will have slowing it down. It didn't need extra brake cooling or IAT cooling. The guys who tuned them upwards of 650hp and ran them at the track didn't require it either. They only needed a tune and exhaust and that was on a port injected 3.6L. Assuming the "leaked" information is accurate and there is some sort of added on cooling system with a finite life cycle, this would not add to endurance at peak performance. Being an RS, I have a tough time thinking that Porsche would do this considering the additional burden it places on the owner/operator. M4 GTS? Not so great. Granted it may not be the same system but it's still an additional system that we're talking about.
Also, the 991.2 GT3 RS mule has the same hood ducts. Do you think it will have an increase in power so much so that it requires extra brake cooling when we don't see any of those issues on the 991.1 GT3 RS and they weren't introduced on the 991.2 GT3? It's not like Porsche to fix things that aren't broken IMO. If the IAT cooling system exists, I think it's a mistake and an unnecessary complication in the name of a 'Ring lap time and/or peak power figures. Both of which are strange for Porsche to care about all of a sudden. If the hood ducts are truly brake ducts and make it to the production car, I think it's strange and an unnecessary complication that could have been rectified with a proper backing plate and ducting from the already existing inlets.
Also, the 991.2 GT3 RS mule has the same hood ducts. Do you think it will have an increase in power so much so that it requires extra brake cooling when we don't see any of those issues on the 991.1 GT3 RS and they weren't introduced on the 991.2 GT3? It's not like Porsche to fix things that aren't broken IMO. If the IAT cooling system exists, I think it's a mistake and an unnecessary complication in the name of a 'Ring lap time and/or peak power figures. Both of which are strange for Porsche to care about all of a sudden. If the hood ducts are truly brake ducts and make it to the production car, I think it's strange and an unnecessary complication that could have been rectified with a proper backing plate and ducting from the already existing inlets.
Agreed. A new owner of an M4 GTS already experienced a failure with the system and required a new entire pump & solenoid assembly to be shipped from Germany.
I would rather see a pair of bigger turbo chargers with the drawback of slightly more lag than this water injection system.
06-08-2017, 08:57 AM
#1444
Drifting
The injection is being used to lower IAT.. Larger turbo's will just make more heat and the heat soak from constant laps will hurt the times an likely motor.
When you start to go over 600whp with FI, heat soak is always a problem regardless of the platform.
When you start to go over 600whp with FI, heat soak is always a problem regardless of the platform.
06-08-2017, 09:14 AM
#1445
Rennlist Member
can´t wait to see the final car! 
Rear-Spoiler will be the same as the one from .1GT3RS and just the uprights will be different?
if they will just make 1.000 units they will be numbered.
if they will not be numbered. they will make 1.000 as "they planed to make 2.500" from the .1 3RS at the beginning.
hopefully they will make 10.000.
What do you guys think they could sell world wide - if the dealers are calling all of us 2 weeks after release and saying: "You have luck! If you want you can come in and sign a contract for a .2GT2RS for MSRP! Some 918 client didn´t wanted his allocation - and i like you - so i called you first."
i guess real market currently is around 5.000-8.000 units ww. but this number could be contracted within the first month if they play the game clever enough.
And who thinks GT cars are not for the money - just do the math what GT cars cost more in production - and what they cost us more in terms of MSRP.
delete a couple of millions for R&D and add a couple of millions for brand reputation.
the 4.0 engine of the .2GT3 is not 20k more expansive than the 3.8 of the .1GT3 - there is more behind...
a GT2RS will not be 70k more expansive in production than a GT3RS . hell, i guess a regular carrera costs not more than 40k in the production+assembly.
and the saying about the tooling cost ... how many special-tools are needed for a GT2RS? 100? for the special body, engine, and suspension parts? ok. lets calculate with around 50.000 for each tool.
lets build 1.000 units more and pay with the first 100 units all the higher tooling costs.
They like to play the Ferrari game. and this i don´t like.
But i like their cars.
So.
They win.
Rear-Spoiler will be the same as the one from .1GT3RS and just the uprights will be different?
if they will just make 1.000 units they will be numbered.
if they will not be numbered. they will make 1.000 as "they planed to make 2.500" from the .1 3RS at the beginning.
hopefully they will make 10.000.
What do you guys think they could sell world wide - if the dealers are calling all of us 2 weeks after release and saying: "You have luck! If you want you can come in and sign a contract for a .2GT2RS for MSRP! Some 918 client didn´t wanted his allocation - and i like you - so i called you first."
i guess real market currently is around 5.000-8.000 units ww. but this number could be contracted within the first month if they play the game clever enough.
And who thinks GT cars are not for the money - just do the math what GT cars cost more in production - and what they cost us more in terms of MSRP.
delete a couple of millions for R&D and add a couple of millions for brand reputation.
the 4.0 engine of the .2GT3 is not 20k more expansive than the 3.8 of the .1GT3 - there is more behind...
a GT2RS will not be 70k more expansive in production than a GT3RS . hell, i guess a regular carrera costs not more than 40k in the production+assembly.
and the saying about the tooling cost ... how many special-tools are needed for a GT2RS? 100? for the special body, engine, and suspension parts? ok. lets calculate with around 50.000 for each tool.
lets build 1.000 units more and pay with the first 100 units all the higher tooling costs.
They like to play the Ferrari game. and this i don´t like.
But i like their cars.
So.
They win.
06-08-2017, 09:25 AM
#1446
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
^^ 
^^
I see an exact repeat of the GT3RS playbook at about 50% of the numbers due to price and boat loads of .2 GT3 and .2 GT3RS in the same numbers produced as the 991.1 GT3 and RS. Probable even more.
Next up, when the GT line is completely watered down, the "Black series" AKA Weissach edition..
The more, the merrier..
^^I see an exact repeat of the GT3RS playbook at about 50% of the numbers due to price and boat loads of .2 GT3 and .2 GT3RS in the same numbers produced as the 991.1 GT3 and RS. Probable even more.
Next up, when the GT line is completely watered down, the "Black series" AKA Weissach edition..
The more, the merrier..
06-08-2017, 09:35 AM
#1447
Rennlist Member
but you are right! there will be always a nice exit strategy - if they water down the GT and even RS models - which is good!
they will increase from 25 to 30 911 versions.they will come with something even better, exclusive and more $$$ for all the vips and "playas" and also for us - so we can cry again
06-08-2017, 10:00 AM
#1448
Rennlist Member
What a beast. Sounds great:
Auto Motor und Sport video (start up and launch control)
https://www.facebook.com/automotorundsport/videos/10155252047443405/
Auto Motor und Sport video (start up and launch control)
https://www.facebook.com/automotorundsport/videos/10155252047443405/
06-08-2017, 10:38 AM
#1449
can´t wait to see the final car!
Rear-Spoiler will be the same as the one from .1GT3RS and just the uprights will be different?
if they will just make 1.000 units they will be numbered.
if they will not be numbered. they will make 1.000 as "they planed to make 2.500" from the .1 3RS at the beginning.
hopefully they will make 10.000.
What do you guys think they could sell world wide - if the dealers are calling all of us 2 weeks after release and saying: "You have luck! If you want you can come in and sign a contract for a .2GT2RS for MSRP! Some 918 client didn´t wanted his allocation - and i like you - so i called you first."
i guess real market currently is around 5.000-8.000 units ww. but this number could be contracted within the first month if they play the game clever enough.
And who thinks GT cars are not for the money - just do the math what GT cars cost more in production - and what they cost us more in terms of MSRP.
delete a couple of millions for R&D and add a couple of millions for brand reputation.
the 4.0 engine of the .2GT3 is not 20k more expansive than the 3.8 of the .1GT3 - there is more behind...
a GT2RS will not be 70k more expansive in production than a GT3RS . hell, i guess a regular carrera costs not more than 40k in the production+assembly.
and the saying about the tooling cost ... how many special-tools are needed for a GT2RS? 100? for the special body, engine, and suspension parts? ok. lets calculate with around 50.000 for each tool.
lets build 1.000 units more and pay with the first 100 units all the higher tooling costs.
They like to play the Ferrari game. and this i don´t like.
But i like their cars.
So.
They win.
Rear-Spoiler will be the same as the one from .1GT3RS and just the uprights will be different?
if they will just make 1.000 units they will be numbered.
if they will not be numbered. they will make 1.000 as "they planed to make 2.500" from the .1 3RS at the beginning.
hopefully they will make 10.000.
What do you guys think they could sell world wide - if the dealers are calling all of us 2 weeks after release and saying: "You have luck! If you want you can come in and sign a contract for a .2GT2RS for MSRP! Some 918 client didn´t wanted his allocation - and i like you - so i called you first."
i guess real market currently is around 5.000-8.000 units ww. but this number could be contracted within the first month if they play the game clever enough.
And who thinks GT cars are not for the money - just do the math what GT cars cost more in production - and what they cost us more in terms of MSRP.
delete a couple of millions for R&D and add a couple of millions for brand reputation.
the 4.0 engine of the .2GT3 is not 20k more expansive than the 3.8 of the .1GT3 - there is more behind...
a GT2RS will not be 70k more expansive in production than a GT3RS . hell, i guess a regular carrera costs not more than 40k in the production+assembly.
and the saying about the tooling cost ... how many special-tools are needed for a GT2RS? 100? for the special body, engine, and suspension parts? ok. lets calculate with around 50.000 for each tool.
lets build 1.000 units more and pay with the first 100 units all the higher tooling costs.
They like to play the Ferrari game. and this i don´t like.
But i like their cars.
So.
They win.
06-08-2017, 02:40 PM
#1450
Just got back from the dealer. He said it isn't confirmed but the base price will be around £165k GBP. In the U.K. there is no dealer premium charged.
06-08-2017, 04:39 PM
#1451
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06-08-2017, 06:04 PM
#1452
06-08-2017, 06:51 PM
#1453
06-08-2017, 09:04 PM
#1454
06-08-2017, 10:53 PM
#1455
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