From Automobile Magazine, they're reading RL.

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ant-an-e-type/

 

An auction with a reserve not met means the seller doesn't have to sell at the bid price. So what's the point of bidding?

An auction should be exactly that: an auction. Start it at the lowest price you're willing to accept. Otherwise nobody will take it seriously since its generally a waste of their time. It's like a "feeler" thread.

At least that's how I feel about it. With no reserve, the bidder can see the current price it will sell at and decide if they want to go a little higher to get it. This IMO is what drives the frenzy / excitement to actually push the price up...

 

Interesting...so if that article is true and PCNA grows some ***** they pull 12+ future RS cars from the #1 stealership in the US (Auto Gallery). Wonder if PCNA knows that they were dialing for RSs around the country like a bunch of hungry trolls too. One can only dream that those Auto Gallery fockers have some bad things coming to them in the future.

 

Most all of those auction sellers on Ebay are just looking to see if they can find a sucker who's willing to pay more than $100k over for their cars. In my eyes, they aren't really sellers just fishermen of sucker fish. Let's see where we stand in 9-12 months after all of the RSs have been delivered.

 

I believe it!
It's that time in production. Hopefully they don't feel to bad when they are being picked up for MSRP towards end of production.
Same thing happened with 991gt3 and gt4.
Still curious to see if PCNA will pull allocations for the dealers that have new cars sitting in lots and asking crazy money.
I still think the allocations meant for Asia/China will end up in the US.

 

Agree - I think that is where some of the second round allocations came from.

It does seem that PCNA is looking for dealers to confirm customers/deposits this time around too. Same seems to be applying to the 911R - I had to give my dealer a deposit a few months ago and it's not something he normally asks for from me until the car is V200+.

 

Pics please?!

 

If one has the money and the car is worth it to them, than who gives a **** what they pay for it. Has nothing to do with more money than sense. Likely they just have more money than those bitching about their lack of sense.

If I had the money and wanted the car bad enough, I would pay over msrp.

Other RS owners should be happy, it's increasing their cars value. I know I was happy when I sold my gt3 and how well it kept its value.

 

And we all have examples of folks buying these for MSRP up to only $50k over. Those sales are real as well. From this forum alone 80% have been bought for MSRP OR LOWER. That percent doesn't change all that much.

Again it is the folks that probably own the RS that are perpetuating the hype that the real value is +$100k over, I would as well. The fact of the matter your statement "they are trading that high, for now" should be changed to "a FEW are trading that high because of a few suckers with more money than sense" because it is NOT the majority. You could also do the same for just about any limited production car. A few is not the majority.

 

This is Rennlist, an enthusiasts site for Porsche lovers. Some of us are just trying to balance the news feed that is provided. I could care less for the guy that pays $100k over for an RS. What would hurt is if someone is sitting here reading and decides that he has no chance based on the information. I'm not saying the mark up is made up. BUT, if you are serious about buying, now is a good time to contact dealers that want to sell you a car. Speak to your dealer and and make it clear to tell them to pass it on to PCNA and chances are you will get a car.

 

This.

I don't get the bitching about the buyers, just sour grapes. For some $400K is no more than a fun weekend away with the family. Their money, who cares.
I paid over MSRP for a used 4.0 and sold it over MSRP. If I sell this one it will be over MSRP.

I do get the bitching that dealers get to sell over MSRP, not allowed in Germany for example.

Us obsessed with all things GT3 (and now GT4) were in line for years.
Than the 918 guys were offered to cut in line and the few leftover allocations have been offered at 100k over since day one by all local dealers.

And now there are none left barring another fresh round of RS allocations which could happen.

I will never buy a new car from one of the local dealers that al wanted 100K and more over MSRP for an RS.
They would probably give me 10% discount on the Macan but I ordered the Macan from the dealer that sold me the 2010 and 2016RS at MSRP and I paid MSRP for the Macan as well, I didn't even ask for a discount.

I will buy new cars from this dealership only the rest of my life. I found a GT4 allocation but first asked "permission" from my sales guy before I proceeded.

 

There are plenty as one can tell from the voting on this thread that got their RS at MSRP, hell my friend got his RS at MSRP, so I know first hand. I also know my dealer sold their RS allocations at MSRP. Yes there are exceptions as we are seeing, at it appears the cars are selling at these big increases over MSRP, but its not the norm and not that uncommon as others have stated when a new car with alot of hype first launches. Hell, some of these POS j/k well partly vetts/350's ect first launched, were way over MSRP as well, just the nature of the current market in general currently.

Once the frenzy dies down, the cars prices will as well.

Well put and agreed

 

It shouldn't be this annoying/hard to spend 200k on a car that porsche has not marked as a limited edition numbered car.

 

Dealers like Auto Gallery buying allocations from other dealerships doesn't help things as well as the 918 VIP program. Looks like demand is getting close to getting satisfied with the GT4 cars with probably about 1,500 US cars. Sounds like there have been about 900-1,000 US RS allocations handed out (not delivered) so I don't get the crazy $100k+ mark ups. I'm hoping they release another 300-500 allocations next year.

 

My understanding is about 700 came to US of 2000 total. There will be no more allocations of this 991.1 RS. What might be driving the price even higher is the rumor that 991.2 will all be turbo.