OT:911R
02-28-2016 | 10:43 AM
#1396
Rennlist Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,944
Likes: 252
It's looks like a GT3 with stripes.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
I NEEED this car!!!!!! Very excited. Hope I can get one.
02-28-2016 | 10:54 AM
#1399
Track Day
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
First no one is bashing 918 owners. Kudos to you and others that can afford to buy them. No issue. You made you money legally, go spend it as you please.
What I find insulting and annoying is a 918 owner who thinks 918 owners are the only "good customers" and a company that apparently agrees. With the number of 911s I've bought since 2000 I've spent as much or more than you on a 918 with Porsche not to mention all the service $ made by dealers, tires etc... So, I'm not a good customer but you are? Really? Not in my book buster.
While I don't run a "multi billion dollar business" I'm smart enough to to have made it through graduate school, obtained a JD and run a firm with 20 employees for the past 20 years. Yeah, So I think I'm smart enough to call BS when I see it. I was smart enough to be able to afford a half dozen six figure cars from them wasn't I? The $ didn't fall out a tree for me. You?
I don't know who told you 3500 RSs will be built but every dealer I've spoken to is saying they don't know. Even well known secondary Porsche specialists like Sloan are saying they don't know if more will be built. So, if Porsche knows they are going to build 3500 more RS's why not just announce that and when? Failure to do that is imho double BS on Porsche. In that scenario then they are going to build (hypothetically saying this is true) 3500 more RS's and they are allowing the somewhat 40 RSs sitting/languishing on lots at $100K+ ADMs and waiting for enough suckers to come along and pay $75K+ over and more before they announce? Really? Are they in cahoots with the stealerships? So all those guys who paid those big ADMs thinking the RS is "so" limited are going to get burned for sure and Porsche know this? Thats some secret they are keeping close to the vest. Well, that sucks. Sounds like the loyalty in that hypo is a one way street. Sorry, not me.
I'm just sitting back and watching all the hysteria and fawning over a company that more and more doesn't really seem to care about the swath of enthusiasts for their core performance cars which is really the heart of the company and where it started and they seem more concerned about those that can drop huge piles of $ on a single car many of whom don't even drive them and stuff them in a collection. Not all but likely most. GT3 guys buy and large use their cars to very large extent.
Sorry but to me it really looks like the emperor (Porsche) has no clothes. I'm standing up and saying "put some "f"n clothes on.
Yeah, I've got some advice for Porsche. They should stop pissing off and insulting a large swath of their customer base. I don't need to run a billion dollar business to know thats good advice. They can run their business as they please. I'll spend my money as I please and more and more likely it won't be with them the more they keep doing what they are doing.
Sooner or later they are going to **** off enough customers that they may find themselves on the downward side of that peak.
What I find insulting and annoying is a 918 owner who thinks 918 owners are the only "good customers" and a company that apparently agrees. With the number of 911s I've bought since 2000 I've spent as much or more than you on a 918 with Porsche not to mention all the service $ made by dealers, tires etc... So, I'm not a good customer but you are? Really? Not in my book buster.
While I don't run a "multi billion dollar business" I'm smart enough to to have made it through graduate school, obtained a JD and run a firm with 20 employees for the past 20 years. Yeah, So I think I'm smart enough to call BS when I see it. I was smart enough to be able to afford a half dozen six figure cars from them wasn't I? The $ didn't fall out a tree for me. You?
I don't know who told you 3500 RSs will be built but every dealer I've spoken to is saying they don't know. Even well known secondary Porsche specialists like Sloan are saying they don't know if more will be built. So, if Porsche knows they are going to build 3500 more RS's why not just announce that and when? Failure to do that is imho double BS on Porsche. In that scenario then they are going to build (hypothetically saying this is true) 3500 more RS's and they are allowing the somewhat 40 RSs sitting/languishing on lots at $100K+ ADMs and waiting for enough suckers to come along and pay $75K+ over and more before they announce? Really? Are they in cahoots with the stealerships? So all those guys who paid those big ADMs thinking the RS is "so" limited are going to get burned for sure and Porsche know this? Thats some secret they are keeping close to the vest. Well, that sucks. Sounds like the loyalty in that hypo is a one way street. Sorry, not me.
I'm just sitting back and watching all the hysteria and fawning over a company that more and more doesn't really seem to care about the swath of enthusiasts for their core performance cars which is really the heart of the company and where it started and they seem more concerned about those that can drop huge piles of $ on a single car many of whom don't even drive them and stuff them in a collection. Not all but likely most. GT3 guys buy and large use their cars to very large extent.
Sorry but to me it really looks like the emperor (Porsche) has no clothes. I'm standing up and saying "put some "f"n clothes on.
Yeah, I've got some advice for Porsche. They should stop pissing off and insulting a large swath of their customer base. I don't need to run a billion dollar business to know thats good advice. They can run their business as they please. I'll spend my money as I please and more and more likely it won't be with them the more they keep doing what they are doing.
Sooner or later they are going to **** off enough customers that they may find themselves on the downward side of that peak.
Put another way, Porsche didn't cost themselves a 3RS sale that will go somewhere else anyway, the cost themselves the Macan sale that my wife wants, the Box Spyder that I want and the next turbo cab that I would have bought, except now that money will go to Aston Martin instead, for example.
Honestly I don;t even have an issue with the VIP program - let the 918 guys have their cars first. But don't create a program like that, THEN roll out cars that almost every enthusiast has been asking for for years (GT Cayman, 911R) and *limit the production to where only the special flowers can have access to it*
That's just offensive to longtime brand loyalists and advocates...
Now, back on topic - if those are the true specs, it'll be a great car. Sure would love the opportunity to buy one without it having 322 first owner miles and a 100K markup.
Happy Sunday, y'all
02-28-2016 | 11:14 AM
#1400
Racer
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 312
Likes: 111
Ford got it right with the new FGT. They are making sure through an application process that the loyal consumers/enthusiasts get a chance to buy the car and that they are kept out of the hands of the stealerships where their greedy ADM's would put the prices likely close to $750K and as such available to only the uber wealthy who would then tuck them away in some warehouse collection.
Porsche aught to condition the next allocation run, if there is a next run of RS's to those dealers that pledge to sell at MSRP at the risk of losing allocation on the next latest and greatest from the mother ship if they don't.
This BS is however, is making me love them (Porsche) less and less. At a certain point I'll tell them to go "F" themselves and buy something else. Hey if they don't care, that just tells me I made the right call.
The new ford gt will show up on the secondary market either privately or at a dealership with a huge premium attached to the MSRP. Ford may have passed the first round of markups at a dealership but the car will not get in the hands of a lot buyers without a significant premium. I would expect the premium to be even higher than the RS as an even worse supply demand scenario exists for the new ford gt. If you have to be an original or previous owner of a ford gt to be considered to purchase the car, I see no difference in vetting between Porsche/918 and Ford/ ford gt selection process. The end game is still the same.
02-28-2016 | 11:16 AM
#1401
Rennlist Member
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 11,298
Likes: 1,496
From: Midwest
It's looks like a GT3 with stripes.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
Sorry - could not help myself and people just got to calm down.
02-28-2016 | 11:44 AM
#1402
Three Wheelin'
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,674
Likes: 8
From: Almost home
I think you should read again...anonymous918 is not saying he is only good customer because one bought a 918? He's simply saying the truth...a program was put out to reward those that spent close to a million dollars and they have a right to take advantage of that program. He also states correctly that if the VIP program did not exist we would all still be complaining about same issues: someone is left behind wanting RS and 911R (and other future cars and those of you that think that PAG can just wave a wand to produce more have no idea what's involved in pre production planning) and we can't stand dealers selling them for more than msrp despite the fact that customers still exist that are willing to pay over msrp to get one, I just watched a $70k over msrp transaction go down on new RS. Not Porsche fault and not dealers fault as long as someone is willing to pay the wood. If you want to make a statement then get all the nations Porsche customers to agree to stop purchasing them all together and let's see if that works? Yes we all have spent a lot of money on multiple Porsche cars but over 5,10,15,20+ years and Porsche appreciates it.....BUT if you want the VIP program it takes all that money you spent in ONE transaction not over many many years. Don't like it then move away from Porsche and show them it doesn't work for them but many won't because we come back to the cars they produce even if we can't have everyone of them.
02-28-2016 | 12:09 PM
#1403
Rennlist Member
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 180
Likes: 23
It's looks like a GT3 with stripes.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
-Manual.
-4.0.
-Lightweight interior and exterior.
-Interior in brown/black is beautiful.
-991 units
-Custom short ratios 6-speed.
-991.1 body.
-1250kg dry weight.
-1370kg DIN.
AP's fav car of all time. He is trying to buy one as well but can't as an employee.
02-28-2016 | 12:20 PM
#1404
Racer
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 301
Likes: 1
From: Midwest
^ Agree sccchiii
Also don't understand the comments about how Ford has "fixed" all of this with its current GT allocation program. Those allocations are VERY limited in # (way less than the RS) and are going 1. to some individuals who bought the last one and 2. to some super VIP people associated with Ford generally (read: not simply Ford car enthusiasts). Those lucky buyers will then be locked up for some period of time and eventually there will be a secondary market (private sales and at dealers) where the cars trade at huge premiums over MSRP. There will be lots of people who don't get an initial allocation direct from factory - they can complain all they want about it or buy one in the secondary market in the future at a premium.
Also don't understand the comments about how Ford has "fixed" all of this with its current GT allocation program. Those allocations are VERY limited in # (way less than the RS) and are going 1. to some individuals who bought the last one and 2. to some super VIP people associated with Ford generally (read: not simply Ford car enthusiasts). Those lucky buyers will then be locked up for some period of time and eventually there will be a secondary market (private sales and at dealers) where the cars trade at huge premiums over MSRP. There will be lots of people who don't get an initial allocation direct from factory - they can complain all they want about it or buy one in the secondary market in the future at a premium.
02-28-2016 | 12:39 PM
#1406
Nordschleife Master
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,435
Likes: 818
From: Central New Jersey
^ Agree sccchiii
Also don't understand the comments about how Ford has "fixed" all of this with its current GT allocation program. Those allocations are VERY limited in # (way less than the RS) and are going 1. to some individuals who bought the last one and 2. to some super VIP people associated with Ford generally (read: not simply Ford car enthusiasts). Those lucky buyers will then be locked up for some period of time and eventually there will be a secondary market (private sales and at dealers) where the cars trade at huge premiums over MSRP. There will be lots of people who don't get an initial allocation direct from factory - they can complain all they want about it or buy one in the secondary market in the future at a premium.
Also don't understand the comments about how Ford has "fixed" all of this with its current GT allocation program. Those allocations are VERY limited in # (way less than the RS) and are going 1. to some individuals who bought the last one and 2. to some super VIP people associated with Ford generally (read: not simply Ford car enthusiasts). Those lucky buyers will then be locked up for some period of time and eventually there will be a secondary market (private sales and at dealers) where the cars trade at huge premiums over MSRP. There will be lots of people who don't get an initial allocation direct from factory - they can complain all they want about it or buy one in the secondary market in the future at a premium.
As far as I see it, the guy who as purchased multiple 6 figure cars from Porsche over the last 10 years should be the VIP not the muliti-millionaire who walks in and plops down $1 million on one car having not purchased other cars in the past. As Geezer notes the wide swath of GT3 and 911 enthusiasts are at the core of who they are and their "performance" image. That's what draws people to them. Those guys also buy the other products like the SUV's and sedans. **** those guys off and your left with how many 918 guys to buy the other products????
Hey, Porsche, good luck with that.
I hope I'm wrong and Porsche does make enough R's and more RS's so that the guys who have been loyal customers over the years have a decent crack at them at MSRP. That would certainly make me feel better about Porsche than I do right now.
02-28-2016 | 12:47 PM
#1407
Pro
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 525
Likes: 1
From: Parts Unknown
Actually, not true. Ford is making sure a lot of the NFGTs get in the hands of long time Ford and especially SVT buyers. The application process is going to be pretty rigourous and designed to weed out those who are just looking for an "investment". There are some VIPs that will clearly get them, no doubt, but the rest are targeted to long time Ford enthusiasts and owners like....well me. I own 6 Ford performance vehicles/SVT vehicles including a Boss 302 Trans Am TA3 car which I track regularly. I have also owned many other SVT cars in the past. I have shown my loyalty and use my cars. That's what Ford wants. I intend to fill out an application for a NFGT and hope to get one. I would keep the car as I buy cars because I love them and they move me emotionally. I don't buy cars to flip.
As far as I see it, the guy who as purchased multiple 6 figure cars from Porsche over the last 10 years should be the VIP not the muliti-millionaire who walks in and plops down $1 million on one car having not purchased other cars in the past. As Geezer notes the wide swath of GT3 and 911 enthusiasts are at the core of who they are and their "performance" image. That's what draws people to them. Those guys also buy the other products like the SUV's and sedans. **** those guys off and your left with how many 918 guys to buy the other products????
Hey, Porsche, good luck with that.
I hope I'm wrong and Porsche does make enough R's and more RS's so that the guys who have been loyal customers over the years have a decent crack at them at MSRP. That would certainly make me feel better about Porsche than I do right now.
As far as I see it, the guy who as purchased multiple 6 figure cars from Porsche over the last 10 years should be the VIP not the muliti-millionaire who walks in and plops down $1 million on one car having not purchased other cars in the past. As Geezer notes the wide swath of GT3 and 911 enthusiasts are at the core of who they are and their "performance" image. That's what draws people to them. Those guys also buy the other products like the SUV's and sedans. **** those guys off and your left with how many 918 guys to buy the other products????
Hey, Porsche, good luck with that.
I hope I'm wrong and Porsche does make enough R's and more RS's so that the guys who have been loyal customers over the years have a decent crack at them at MSRP. That would certainly make me feel better about Porsche than I do right now.
As for all the angry people ,
Does this happen when Ferrari release a "speciale" or mclaren an LT? People release limited edition cars , you get one or you don't , live with it and move on . Life's too short and there are so many great cars out there , talk about first world problems .
When Ferrari released La Ferrari I had a decent number of Ferrari , Did I get a la Ferrari? No
Did the world end ?no
Was I that bothered ? HELL NO ��
Last edited by wtdoom; 02-28-2016 at 01:57 PM.
02-28-2016 | 12:54 PM
#1408
Racer
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 301
Likes: 1
From: Midwest
Waxer - I hope you get a slot - seriously. But I would just be realistic about how many applications they are getting and how many VIPs there really are out there - think of how many big time suppliers, broader business relationships, Ford family relationships, etc. that Ford has. Will they give some to "enthusiasts" like yourself - absolutely, but your statement that Ford is making sure a lot of allocations go to guys like you is speculation until we actually see it happen. And there is simply no way they will make enough that everyone like you who feels entitled (rightly or wrongly) to one will get an allocation. So again, good luck, but its all premature at this point.
02-28-2016 | 01:08 PM
#1410
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,223
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From: Support our troops! go USA!!!
i think the message Ford is sending is we want this car to go to real enthusiasts, not brokers or flippers, I hope it works I also hope they make enough cars so all of those who want one can get one