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Well, as in any large company disorganization is an issue. One I work for is pretty damn efficient for a 53 million dollar company but has it moments of complete disorganization. Can you imagine a company as large as Porsche/VW group?
The Porsche division isn't that huge. Figure it out.
2014 Sales
Toyota 10 million cars
Honda 4.3 million cars
BMW 2 million cars
Mercedes 1.7 million cars
Porsche 189,000 cars
McLaren 1,600 cars
Makes sense to me. How easy for them to be able to forecast demand and schedule production. They give you an approximate build date, and know what they're in for. The way they're doing things now, they're going quarter by quarter. Look at the GT3's. I don't think they know how when they'll actually stop making them. They keep trickling out like a leaky toilet. Just slow enough to **** people off. Same with the RS's. The big mystery of how many, when, where, and what color. I really think there is some disorganization within the ranks. I mean, they can't even get a PTS and Exclusive program under control. Quantity and quality control wise. Add the engine debacle, and you have one cluster _ _ _ _
They're better at selling the Porsche Badge lately on non sports cars than the actual sports cars!
In an efficient market with full information and transparency, sure but not when dealer play shell games of keep away with their allocations and trying to rig the market.
What if you opened up a 60 day "buy" window on GT cars at dealerships across the country, PTS the whole deal. Everyone on the list gets a car. Porsche goes into production to build all of the cars. However long it takes to manufacturer. You can't get in again until the next year. It's the old vehicle production conundrum. Porsche built X amount of 918's GT3's RS's etc. and had to find a home for them. When you build to order you might sell fewer cars but you have so much less inventory exposure. Less sourcing issues etc. and you become more profitable. They always want to manufacture growth as opposed to organic growth. I know nothing about car building but my company does it for a 130 page catalog (soft goods) and 1000 sku's. and is accurate to within 1%. There certainly not that many sku's in the Porsche line up. Crazy?
Please send your resume for the head of Porsche production position to Porsche STAT!
My issue isn't that dealers sell their cars for over MSRP as it is them taking allocations for themselves and optioning the car when they have dozens of people on the wait list, including people who have bought 10s of cars from that dealer. Either sell all of the cars to the highest bidders or sell to the folks on your waitlist, don't keep changing the rules of the game. Hell, there are even dealers that have agreed to sell a car at MSRP to a customer on their waitlist and when the car comes in the car is no longer for sale at MSRP...it's no MSRP + X market premium. Don't say that you want to establish a relationship with a customer when the dollar signs mean more than the relationship.
I cannot +1 this any harder.
Originally Posted by Zero911
I don't fault the dealers for asking over MSRP. I am sure if we were selling our cars and some idiot wanted to pay $50k above asking we would jump on it.
What I do fault dealers for is if I am on a wait list and was told MSRP only to have that change when the car comes in. That's a waste of my time and a very ****ty thing to do.
Yup. This.
Happened to me many times in the past across many different makes. Thankfully, I now have dealers I trust, and have built a long term relationship with.
What if you opened up a 60 day "buy" window on GT cars at dealerships across the country, PTS the whole deal. Everyone on the list gets a car. Porsche goes into production to build all of the cars. However long it takes to manufacturer. You can't get in again until the next year. It's the old vehicle production conundrum. Porsche built X amount of 918's GT3's RS's etc. and had to find a home for them. When you build to order you might sell fewer cars but you have so much less inventory exposure. Less sourcing issues etc. and you become more profitable. They always want to manufacture growth as opposed to organic growth. I know nothing about car building but my company does it for a 130 page catalog (soft goods) and 1000 sku's. and is accurate to within 1%. There certainly not that many sku's in the Porsche line up. Crazy?
the entire problem will be solved when PAG builds more cars, increase supply and starve the flippers out, they should also punish dealers who lessen the marque with low class tactics,I last saw this with the original miata and the honda CRX, no thats its the same thing, but I never looked at those cars again
I'm actually referring to all cars that Porsche sells, because there isn't a Porsche dealership that sells only GT cars that I know of.
While our interest lies with Porsche, this is not a Porsche isolated issue in US. Try to go buy a GT350R....many on blogs have mentioned a couple dealers asking double MSRP or higher. I remember way back when S2000 came out and I wanted one for a weekend track car, first dealer I went to wanted 10k over for first one? Same situation I just visited a couple stores and found one coming in for a discount. NSX was same before it hit showrooms back in early 90's. It obviously is an emotional topic but I have very strong doubt it will change.
Maybe they're more worried about the wrong "target market" ...
I can't tell you how many times I've heard a Porsche salesperson or PCNA employee refer to the Macan as a sports car. It's nice for what it is, but it's not a sports car.
09-27-2015, 10:50 PM
