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I love it too - really hard to tell how it would work. I'm actually thinking about it or Sepia brown. But will probably end up wimping out in the end...
Olive was a great shade offered many moons ago, Olive 274 was offered on a PTS list. Is that the shade next to Viper Green? The 911sc above appears to be much darker th the sample on the wall. Sorry does anyone have any idea what Olive 274 looks like and or the the sc colour and the shade on the wall? Sorry I know this sounds confusing.
Sepia Brown would really be an interesting choice.
Great shot, any idea what colour is to the left of viper green?
Originally Posted by juncinv
Olive was a great shade offered many moons ago, Olive 274
was offered on a PTS list. Is that the shade next to Viper Green?
The 911sc above appears to be much darker th the sample on
the wall. Sorry does anyone have any idea what Olive 274 looks
like and or the the sc colour and the shade on the wall? Sorry
I know this sounds confusing.
juncinv:
So to your question: "Any idea what colour is to the left of viper green?"
Yes, it's what PAG currently calls 'Olivegrün' / 'Olive Green', color code 274.
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I can not vouch for the exact color code of this 991sc...so who knows!
If we go by just the photo, it doesn't seem similar to current color 274.
Did you ask 'Porsche Excusive' staff about the color of the
'green' .1 991 gt3 RS that you saw in the back of Werk II
at Zuffenhausen that you thought might be 'Gelbgrün'?
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Originally Posted by RSGT
The green on the right is Gelbgrün (I took the samples from the
wall and read the color names). The GT3 RS I saw a few weeks
ago at the factory is confirmed as Gelbgrün.
Gerald
Ludwigsburg,Germany
Thank you for the response, Gerald. That 'Gelbgrün' 991 gt3 RS,
when they finally put on the back bumper, will be stunning!
****
Originally Posted by juncinv
Eduardo,
Thank you very much.
I appreciate your reply.
You welcome, juncinv!
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Originally Posted by MoeGt3
My car has moved to V215. Now the waiting game begins
Congratulations Mohammed!
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Originally Posted by Jon70
Signal and 2D8 look nearly identical
They are not when you see them in person.
And 'Signal Green' color code W25, which is
what I had on my 2007 .1 997 Carrera S &
has more yellow tint that my present 'Signal
Green' color code 22S gt3, is even less so!
See my old W25 'Signal Green' photographed
next to a 2D8 .1 997 gt3 RS!
From the 991 'Custom Ordering' thread but perhaps of
interest to some of you here too.
***
Originally Posted by STG991
Eduardo can speak to this better, but from my knowledge they
have capacity issues with being able to handle so much. I don't
believe it's a program that makes them much profits, and more
of a niche option to offer the discerning clients. If they advertised
it, they'd be even more overwhelmed than they are now.
Somehow BMW, McLaren, possibly Audi, and some of the others
have thought it out and planned more accordingly for their specific
customization programs. Like many things with PAG/PCNA, there
seem to be many unknowns and
Overall, it is what it is I suppose.
Well George, 'it is what it is'...but it's rather puzzling in any case!
If they didn't want to advertise PTS, then why any of these videos?
And if they didn't want the world to know about PTS, why build
this impressive 'mural' at Zuffenhausen in such a prominent place?
***
PTS needs to be done more effectively at Porsche. We
have been trying to make that point over & over again
in the many threads here at Rennlist on the PTS subject.
And I am trying right now to see if they will let me interview
the folks at PTS in Germany that are the PTS decision
makers at Porsche to give them an opportunity to explain
to us, the loyal customers & enthusiast base, how they at
PTS view the Paint-to-Sample program, how they allocate
slots for PTS in regular production, what are the bottlenecks
or issues that limit its growth, etc. I will report back exactly
what they tell me. I am hopeful that this interview will be
allowed this Spring. I am willing to fly to Germany at my
expense to do this interview & then report back to all of
you here.
Eduardo. My RS coming lists signalgrün code 22S.
On your photo of the swatches there are two signals,
but neither are the code mine has. What's the deal?
Is there another signalgrün? What will show up at
my door? Hmmmm
Yes, the only 'Signal Green' approved for the 991/981
at the present time is color code 22S. That is the color
of my gt3 and every single other 'Signal Green' 991 or
981 that has been done since 2012.
***
My understanding is that the original 'vintage' early 911 era
'Signal Green' was color code 217:
So that is why the factory has a color chip with 'Signal Green'
as color code 217. These photos were taken by me during my
visit to Zuffenhausen in 2013:
***
For reasons we do not yet fully know why, some customer in the
2006/2007 period requested a version of 'Signal Green' that had
a bit more yellow tint in the mix than the older color code 217
(or 22S) 'Signal Green' formula. Why they called that new color
'Signal Green' is surprising...and confusing. That became the
'Signal Green' of color code W25.
I personally owned one such a W25 PTS 'Signal Green' .1 997 of
MY2007 vintage. My Carrera S was ordered on spec by Pioneer
Porsche of San Diego (presently Porsche of San Diego) & bought
new by a friend & fellow R Gruppe member from Arizona. I fell
in love at first sight & hounded him until he sold it to me three
& 1/2 years after taking delivery new in the summer of 2007.
And there were at least two other .1 997 Carreras ordered by
US dealers in the US of W25 'Signal Green'.
This MY2007 4S coupe was also ordered on spec by Pioneer
in San Diego:
*
And this MY2008 Carrera S cabriolet ordered on spec by
Porsche of West Houston:
*
Plus at least one .2 997 gt3 RS ordered by Suncoast Porsche
in Florida!
***
Unfortunately, I crashed that 'Signal Green' Carrera S shortly
after I got it in 2011. But I still have the original rear deck lid
of that car, which had been removed by the first owner to install
the aero-kit front & rear on that car (below in original spec):
But fortunately, that rear deck panel has its original W25
'Signal Green' factory original paint on it:
And if you see that W25 version of 'Signal Green' and then
compare it to the 22S version currently of 'Signal Green',
you will be able to tell the difference between the two
colors:
Personally, I find the W25 version of 'Signal Green' more
to my liking simply because it has a more pronounce hint
of yellow tint in the mixture. But it's all a matter of personal
opinion & taste.
***
When 'Signal Green' was resurrected as a color by Porsche
and added as a standard selection in MY1991/1992, the color
code became known as 22S, not 217.
I do not know why the original color code 217 was not retained.
Was the formula altered somewhat? Back in 2009, I found the
following posts in Pelican that addressed the issue of codes &
formulas for 'Signal Green':
So I don't know where that really leaves us. The only thing I know
for sure is that 22S looks closer to the original 217 (with a bluer
tint) than W25, which has a more pronounced yellow tint. In any
case, the current formula for the color 'Signal Green' at Porsche
today is 22S. And it's derived from the version of the hue that
offered by PAG back in 1991/1992 as a no/cost standard color
on the 964, 968 & 928!
Hope this primer on 'Signal Green' is of some assistance to you
AC Satco & other 'Signal Green' fans at Rennlist!
More than helpful Eduardo. Thank you as always.
After reading your posts I might actually sound like
I know what I'm talking about when I go to Porsche
events in my 22S Colored car. More than helpful
You are welcome!
Originally Posted by AC SATCO
Hey Eduardo. Since we're on greens. Spotted this one on
Instagram the other day. Must be a special car. Makes me
want to do yellow decals on my RS. I did order yellow belts,
yellow PCCB (obviously yellow), and a yellow roll cage to
match. So I'm almost there. Lol
You can never go wrong mixing a light green like 'Signal' with a bright
yellow! The late (& great!) Colin Chapman would have agreed with
that color scheme!
A post from the 981 'Custom Ordering' thread that some of
you might find interesting reading.
****
Originally Posted by Schmidts Cat
Eduardo, is there a typical pattern to when PTS opens & closes?
Ian:
Yes, there is a typical pattern but PAG does not appear to be
following it at present time. It was also not followed very well
for MY2015 either!
Back in the 'good old days', PTS was strictly an insiders' 'play'
that was a rare occurrence as a custom request. When it was
ordered, it was usually done by a veteran Porsche customer
looking for the ultimate personalization of his or her car. Or
it was the gutsy decision of a savvy & self-assured dealer
employing a 'differentiation' strategy for his normally staid
& unadventurous inventory of 'colors'.
The PTS window would normally go up when the ordering
books were open to dealers for a particular Model Year.
And they would normally close by December (or just four
months into the 'normal' model year production season).
PAG back then had a nasty habit of bunching PTS production
of all of those orders in the late Spring and they would arrive
at US dealers just months before the new model year was
announced. Overall, not the best logistics for those daring
enough to order PTS for any given year.
In recent years, PTS production at Porsche seems to have
been scheduled more regularly, although it requires at a
minimum three months from placing PTS order (assuming
an already approved color) to production date. So, for
example, some PTS 991 & 981 have been built in the Fall
& delivered to customers early in the model year! So that
I consider 'progress' in the PTS program!
After the moratorium on PTS for MY2015 announced by
PAG in Sept or so of 2014, we were told that PAG would
be reviewing the entire PTS process and institute changes
that would improve customer satisfaction with the order
process for MY2016. So for the latter, PAG opened the PTS
windows on most models in the Spring of 2015 to coincide
with the normal dealer order books for the new model year
products. The exception seemed to be the '16 .1 991 gt3
RS model, which was overwhelmed with PTS demand that
was apparently not anticipated by PAG. So they improvised
& finally came up with a system for it which turned out to
be a bit chaotic (and frankly unfair to many of their good
customers -see Witek's email below). For just about every
Porsche model of sport cars, PTS demand was unusually
high for MY2016, which was not surprising given the partial
moratorium in MY2015, the stop sale of the '14 991 gt3 in
MY2014 & the incredible popularity of PTS threads at forums
such as Rennlist (which attract a world wide readership)
since we started truly delving into the subject in 2012.
As a result of this higher demand, PAG met their PTS
quotas for all of their allocated MY2016 PTS rather early
& closed the PTS window for most models in July of 2015.
This is the email that I received from Melissa Witek,
of PCNA's 'Porsche Exclusive', on the subject of the
PTS window back on July 13th, while I in the midst
of my visit to Germany last summer!
Melissa Witek
Attachments7/13/15
to me,
Hello Eduardo,
I hope all is well. Please allow me to jump in and
assist with your below questions (in red):
1) Has the PTS window now closed (effective as of July 6th)? PTS is closed for certain models.
2) Does it impact both 991 gt3 RS and regular 991/981 models?
Or just 991 gt3 RS?PTS is closed for 911's and
regular Boxsters from July 3 on. PTS is closed for the GT3 RS
from July 6 on.
3) I assume there are gt3 RS customers that were approved for
PTS prior to the 'window' closing. Are these RS' customer orders
in PTS colors - 'Signal Green', 'Gelbgrün', 'Riviera Blue', et al. -
proceed as scheduled?If the dealer inputted the
PTS color in the client's order, and the color is on the pre-approved
PTS list, then the order will be accepted and honored.
4) Are some customers that requested PTS but were never
approved going now to have option to choose 'Black', 'Racing Yellow'
or 'Miami Blue'? When will they be told? As long as the order has an approved PTS color on
it now, then that client will have the option to switch to Black, Racing
Yellow, or Miami Blue to cut down the 5-month delay to approximately
a 4-week delay instead.
5) Are 'Black', 'Racing Yellow' & 'Miami Blue' going to cost $3140,
or $5500, for your RS customers?$5,500
6) Is the new 'Miami Blue' based on the 1957 356A 'Aquamarine',
but just a few shades off? Sort of how the new 'Lava Orange' is
based on 'Tangerine/Blutorange' or 'Club Blau' is based on 'Acid Blue'? Similar, but Miami Blue is a little lighter. Please see attached.
When I compare it to Riviera or Mexico Blue, the Miami Blue sample
has a lot more green in it:
7) Why is 'Ultraviolet' going to be discontinue after November
991 gt3 RS production?I do not know the future
plans for Ultraviolet after November.
8) When will US customers with MY2016 gt3 RS allocations that
have requested 'PTS' (and have filed their wishes with 'Porsche
Exclusive' via their dealers as was requested by PCNA earlier)
be notified whether or not their PTS requests will be honored/
approved/allowed? The dealer can see if the
paint has been ordered, and should alert their customers accordingly.
9) Were any of the limited MY2016 gt3 (non RS) allocated to
US dealers allowed to be done in PTS?No.
***
Here was a report, apparently that came from Porsche UK,
that was posted by Donavan here on this 981 forum back
in September of 2015:
***
So far (& I talked to Barbara Boeckenhoff, head of
'Porsche Exclusive/Personal Design' for PCNA in North
America just three days ago!) PTS has not yet opened
for MY2017 sport models at Porsche. So Ms. Boeckenhoff
doesn't yet know when that window will open. Perhaps, it
will be soon...but nobody except those responsible for PTS
at Porsche (not even those at 'Porsche Exclusive' department)
know for certain!
So in summary, this is not PTS business as usual at PAG.
Ian, I hope this long post was of some assistance in
answering your excellent question.
Hey Eduardo. Since we're on greens. Spotted this one on Instagram the other day. Must be a special car. Makes me want to do yellow decals on my RS. I did order yellow belts, yellow PCCB (obviously yellow), and a yellow roll cage to match. So I'm almost there. Lol
I have seen the same car in Dubai many times. And I do agree the green and yellow combination on the car looks stunning.
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