race7117

I am looking at getting an analog companion to the more digital 991 GT3. Looked at 996 GT3 and even 993 with RS mods, but now am feeling that a 997.1 has good value potential especially for current prices. Anyone with experience feel like it will provide a different enough driving experience to the 991 to merit as a stable mate? I am looking for the Porsche experience obviously and have driven the 997.2 extensively just wondering if the 997.1 has enough rawness to merit its purchase. RS prices are just jumping right now so not in the cards. I have read the 997 GT3 forum but really want current owners of the 991 GT3 to share their thoughts.

tcsracing1

2007 997.1GT3 for under $80k will get you want you want. Value wise it is a great car. Same jam as 997.1RS and not far off the performance of a 997.2GT3.

Given that the PDK991GT3 is a daily driver friendly 911 it is not crazy to have a manual tranny 911 stablemate in the garage even if it is something as current as a 997.1.

Although for a totally different 911 driving experience I would suggest a 964 as a fun stablemate.
Air cooled, classic 911. Great fun but in a different way when compare to a modern 991.

race7117

Thanks for your reply, yea I would love a 964 RS America but again prices skyrocketing. Maybe just a straight 964 might do the trick though, great idea. I'm going to have to drive the 2 cars. I like the idea of the 964, great classic shape and growing on me even more than the 993. Thanks again, great idea

Macca

I have a 993 in RS specification (well actually a fair bit beyond that). I have owned 996 GT3 and driven later generation 997 GT3. The 991 GT3 is different enough from ANY of the previous gen 993RS/964RS/996/997GT3 to warrant any of those models and ideal stable mate for chalk and cheese comparison. You will almost certainty reach for the 991 GT3 keys more often than not such is the breadth and depth of its capability and its sease of use but the older manual cars have a rawness and appeal all of their own although in fairness they more of an "occasion car". If you are NA and can source a nice 964RSA that would be a great medium term appreciation choice. A very well sorted 993 C2S/C4S or trubo will also reward you well financially over time. later model GT3 prices are stable and although I suspect they will fall in the medium term they will eventually appreciate and one day become as collectable as their air cooled predecessors. Each market favours the models differently (i.e. in UK a well sorted 993 RS clone will be more expensive than a well sorted 996.1 GT3 etc). I think if you own a 991 GT3 then the fit for almost any of these older manual cars works very well for a stable, as i say youll use it more sparingly and it will need more TLC due to age etc but I have both and enjoy the juxtaposition...

race7117

I agree Macca, I really like the difference of the old vs new. I was looking at a nice 993 C2 and bringing it into RS spec as much as possible but not sure if it would lose all its value as a result. It also seems here in the states that 997.1 prices are holding at least for lower mileage cars which gave me hope that they might head north sooner than expected (I think I'm just rationalizing). I also like the idea of doing back to back track days in the different cars, as a consequence I thought a 997.1 might hold up better to the wear and tear. Having steel brakes, 5 lug wheels also gives a little less to expenses. Is the 997.1 much less compliant? How does your 993 hold up? Does the PSS10 suspension really enhance the car or simply add adjustability? Great info, thanks for the input

montoya

The more antique the better.

You have a modern sophisticated car, anything built after 1990 will just feel less sophisticated. Anything built before 1972 will feel classic. Assuming your mate to the GT3 is not a track car, if it is then just buy the most recent cup car you can afford...

Macca

Some good advise above. PSS10 makes a marked improvement for the 993 on the road. Its not just about adjust-ability but better rebound and compression control. A more modern suspension platform for an older chassis. In the UK a 993 brought up to basically RS spec will fetch significantly more than a stock C2. The 993RS there is now fetching 250K USD+ so you can see for many the appeal is fundamentally the same car for alot less money (under 100K USD). Unfortunately you did not get genuine 993/964Rs in teh US but Ive owned both and they are very raw, hardcore machines - very analogue and rewarding but much more difficult to skilfully drive to the level of the more modern GT3s. Taht being said my 993 with some RS and Cup[ parts is a road car that will circulate a given track within a few seconds of a 997 GT3 (its actually as quick if not quicker in the tight stuff loosing out on fast sweepers and straights). The car is lighter and more agile and with modern suspension upgrades (monoballs, coilovers full spherical rear suspension plus sold Cup bushes and RS uprights/tie rods etc) it is I guess hardly comparing stock 993 performance with a GT3 even though the engine and drive train remain mostly stock.

If you intend to regularly track the car you are choosing then I would suggest 996/997 GT3 as the cost to run will be lower than the aircooled if pushed on the track. The aircooled cars are getting scarcer and changing hands infrequently so are not as easily replaceable if you have an "off". In a few years time a mint 964/993 C2 will likely cost you similar to a 997GT3 does now.

Laguna_Dude

For under $100k, I would look at a 930 or 964 Turbo.. get bone stock.. higher miles is okay. These are the most fun you can have on the street and are pure Porsche. I wouldn't track one though. I have been pairing air cooled with water cooled for some time now. Really offers a variety that makes owning both a real treat. It's hard to explain how fun the older 911's are to drive.. you just have to experience it for yourself.

PC Valkyrie

Here is a completely different thought. I understand the need to have a different car with a different driving experience compared to the 991 GT3. If you must have a Porsche, then why not consider a hotter version of a Boxster or Cayman (S, R, or GTS versions)?

Mid engine layout, and stick shift transmission are a good combo to compliment the 991 GT3, while still having that Porsche feeling.

silverrules

+1 to what Macca said. buy some other toy.

race7117

I'm now really looking hard at this,

http://www.napletonsastonmartinofchi...58f63b63cb.htm

Macca

Perfect stable mate....

tcsracing1

nice car, but with those miles and that price it is a hard pill to swallow when 997.1 GT3 with less then half the miles are trading for the same money.

Depends what you budget is.

Nice 1 owner 993 came up on the 993 board in the 50s....

Macca

TSC has a point. The 993 is a better car. Mind you the 964 RSA will appreciate faster than a stock 993 C2.

race7117

Yes all good points and very true, I can't argue with TSC and that's why I haven't pulled the trigger. I was a bit worried about the cup engine mods. I have found a nice 997.1 GT3 for less money with less than 10,000 miles........hard to pass up

What do you think of this Macca? Still cheaper than an 964 RS America
http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/pa...ngine-package/
I have always loved the 993 and still have eyes for them.