Chris Harris Comments & Video
02-07-2014, 04:35 PM
#34
Instructor
Driving the 991 GT3 with a manual box would suck in my opinion. Once you've driven the car, it's plain to see that there was no choice but PDK-S which is unquestionably very well suited to the engine and especially so when sport mode is engaged. It's just a shame that the car has electric steering.
02-07-2014, 04:46 PM
#36
Instructor
02-07-2014, 04:50 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
Well they rev about the same, the 4.0 has a bit more power, that's all.
Me thinks the 991GT3 would drive very similar. Sure you are slower on the track, but we'd get the play the instrument..
Me thinks the 991GT3 would drive very similar. Sure you are slower on the track, but we'd get the play the instrument..
02-07-2014, 04:54 PM
#38
Race Director
I was not trying to be snarky. That was my legitimate answer. You get faster shifts but it is still a manual box. Think of it terms of riding high performance sport bike. Part of what makes a sport bike fun and also fast is the sequential gear box and the use of a clutch with it. Does that make sense?
02-07-2014, 04:55 PM
#39
Instructor
I can only compare the 991 GT3 to my 997.2 GT3 both of which I took out for a blast today. Both gearboxes are well suited to the characters of the cars however my biggest gripe is the 991's steering which is not a patch on the 997's. I think Porsche made the right decision with PDK-S and hope they roll it out for the rest of the range. I would not select a PDK car otherwise.
02-07-2014, 04:56 PM
#40
Nordschleife Master
Think people are smoking something. There is no manual because the didn't have the development time to implement it. They choose PDK because there is a larger market for it. It's about money and time to market, simple as that.
02-07-2014, 05:03 PM
#43
Race Director
Irrelevant.
What about my words; "I can see where he's coming from if you have to make a choice. IMHO Porsche can make this engine work just dandy with a 6 speed technically, just not financially as Chris says."
I don't have to drive a 991 GT3 to know it does not rev up that much faster so that a manual would not work. It does not rev up faster than a 4.0, so we could have a choice to be shifting ourselves with 3 pedals and choose to be slower.
What about my words; "I can see where he's coming from if you have to make a choice. IMHO Porsche can make this engine work just dandy with a 6 speed technically, just not financially as Chris says."
I don't have to drive a 991 GT3 to know it does not rev up that much faster so that a manual would not work. It does not rev up faster than a 4.0, so we could have a choice to be shifting ourselves with 3 pedals and choose to be slower.
I'm sure the 4.0 doesn't feel flat in any absolute sense, but it might possibly seem so if one had driven both cars. You haven't, neither have I. CH has. That's all I was saying; he's in a position to make a comparison, you and I aren't, and I think that's perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion.
You have to admit some of this stuff is pretty funny. Walter Rohrl praises PDK and is called a factory shill. OTOH, he says he prefers a MT in his Boxster Spyder and his quote starts appearing in sig lines. CH gets his comments cherry picked and corrected to support individual POV's....you just have to smile.
02-07-2014, 05:10 PM
#44
Instructor
As AP said a while ago ... "just drive it" and you will see. I didn't buy into using PDK for the GT3 but, having driven it, I accept it was the right choice as it works tremendously well. Not just that but, given the option, I would select it over the manual box. However I would still select my manual 997.2 GT3 over the 991 GT3 for enjoyment.
02-07-2014, 05:12 PM
#45
Rennlist Member
I can only compare the 991 GT3 to my 997.2 GT3 both of which I took out for a blast today. Both gearboxes are well suited to the characters of the cars however my biggest gripe is the 991's steering which is not a patch on the 997's. I think Porsche made the right decision with PDK-S and hope they roll it out for the rest of the range. I would not select a PDK car otherwise.
I don't think my comment was irrelevant. CH felt the 4.0 seemed a bit flat in comparison to the motor in 991 GT3. You said that your 4.0 didn't feel flat. That's all I was responding to. I'm not interested in arguing subjective preferences of a slower MT over a faster PDK.
I'm sure the 4.0 doesn't feel flat in any absolute sense, but it might possibly seem so if one had driven both cars. You haven't, neither have I. CH has. That's all I was saying; he's in a position to make a comparison, you and I aren't, and I think that's perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion.
You have to admit some of this stuff is pretty funny. Walter Rohrl praises PDK and is called a factory shill. OTOH, he says he prefers a MT in his Boxster Spyder and his quote starts appearing in sig lines. CH gets his comments cherry picked and corrected to support individual POV's....you just have to smile.
I'm sure the 4.0 doesn't feel flat in any absolute sense, but it might possibly seem so if one had driven both cars. You haven't, neither have I. CH has. That's all I was saying; he's in a position to make a comparison, you and I aren't, and I think that's perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion.
You have to admit some of this stuff is pretty funny. Walter Rohrl praises PDK and is called a factory shill. OTOH, he says he prefers a MT in his Boxster Spyder and his quote starts appearing in sig lines. CH gets his comments cherry picked and corrected to support individual POV's....you just have to smile.
I will never ever buy a PDK-S, hate it, I'm hardcore 6 speed manual only. Preferably that old HM engine..