FIRE EXTINGUiSHER
01-22-2014, 11:16 AM
#2
Burning Brakes
Gimmick in my experience. The clubs I've run with certainly do not require a fire extinguisher for HPDE or time trial events. If you are going to seriously race, you will need a true fire suppression system (and full cage, etc etc)
01-22-2014, 11:50 AM
#3
Rennlist Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Mid-Atlantic (on land, not in the middle of the ocean)
Posts: 13,255
Received 4,459 Likes
on
2,536 Posts
Last I checked, PCA Metro NY requires a fire extinguisher. Few others require it, but many recommend it. Gives me some peace of mind having it (I've seen a few cars on fire), but I'm willing to track a car that doesn't have it.
01-22-2014, 12:18 PM
#4
Many PCA regions require a fire extinguisher for DE events and, typically Class BC or ABC rated, 2.5 lb. minimum, fully charged.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, would I let them know that I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, would I let them know that I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
Last edited by alpine-al; 01-23-2014 at 11:22 AM. Reason: typo
01-22-2014, 12:45 PM
#5
Instructor
Many PCA regions require a fire extinguisher for DE events and, typically Class BC or ABC rated, 2.5 lb. minimum, fully charged.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, before spraying it would I let them know I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, before spraying it would I let them know I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
01-22-2014, 12:49 PM
#6
GT3 player par excellence
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
from personal experience. the little FE bottle looks great and some clubs requires it. but should u or your car catch on fire, get the fk out and run away from track, behind wall, as far away from car as you can b/c the little FE will not do anything. i know i was there, i tried to put out the very small fire. it was NOT funny when i was using it.
let the car burn, the safety worker will deal with it with a MUCH bigger FE.
if you have full fire supression, like in a race car, pull the kill switch then get the hell out of the car.
let the car burn, the safety worker will deal with it with a MUCH bigger FE.
if you have full fire supression, like in a race car, pull the kill switch then get the hell out of the car.
01-22-2014, 01:15 PM
#7
Rennlist Member
Many PCA regions require a fire extinguisher for DE events and, typically Class BC or ABC rated, 2.5 lb. minimum, fully charged.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, before spraying it would I let them know I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
The Porsche fire extinguisher is described as "Compact DIN EN3 powder extinguisher containing 2.2 lbs of extinguishing agent" in the configurator.
The dry powder is corrosive and it will damage any paint and electrical components that it touches. That could be the least of your worries if your car is on fire. If someone else's car were on fire and I had the only readily available extinguisher, before spraying it would I let them know I was about to ruin their paint before spraying the fire? I don't know.
Instead of the dry powder or dry chemical extinguishers, there are none corrosive versions. Halguard and Halotron fire extinguishers use a gas that smothers the fire. Halguard and Halotron will not damage paint or electrical components.
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
Trending Topics
01-22-2014, 02:27 PM
#8
01-22-2014, 03:30 PM
#9
Race Director
A Halguard 2.5 lb fire extinguisher costs ~$150 and a mounting bracket to the seat base costs $90 to $200. For an extra $100 over the Porsche option, I'd rather have the one that won't damage the paint. And I think that they look a lot better than the Porsche option.
.
.
01-23-2014, 12:30 AM
#11
Rennlist Member
Hi Mike. I agree with above. The factory option FE is inadequate. Infact its a joke really and its like a tin of flyspray.
I received the 5lb FE with my Clubsport 003 spec 991 GT3. Its not an option in the states.
On my 993 I have this lovely SS BK adjustable bar with platform. On top I have a Patrick Motorsports (I think) quick release billet alloy FE holder. Its a real work of art. The organ stop pull piece is quality plastic on a SS shaft with a recessed ball bearing at the other end to create a "click" into place. Ive replace the puny FE in the picture with a 2.5lb one I imported from the states recently. If you are going to do it right you cant go past this set up - I cant recall the cost but maybe $200...
I received the 5lb FE with my Clubsport 003 spec 991 GT3. Its not an option in the states.
On my 993 I have this lovely SS BK adjustable bar with platform. On top I have a Patrick Motorsports (I think) quick release billet alloy FE holder. Its a real work of art. The organ stop pull piece is quality plastic on a SS shaft with a recessed ball bearing at the other end to create a "click" into place. Ive replace the puny FE in the picture with a 2.5lb one I imported from the states recently. If you are going to do it right you cant go past this set up - I cant recall the cost but maybe $200...
01-23-2014, 01:24 AM
#13
I've used the Speed Tactics mount in several cars. It's in my Cayman now. Works fine, but I had to modify it a bit. The tabs were slightly too wide to fit in the seat rails.
The only possible issue - it mounts to the front seat bolts, therefore it limits full forward motion of the seat. Not a problem for me as I'm 5' 11". Shorter drivers may have an issue.
I also agree with Halon as the best agent. Even with a full fire suppression system. I've seen a car with a foam (i.e. water) system in action - there is a big whoosh of steam as the water is instantly boiled off and the fire continues burning.
The only possible issue - it mounts to the front seat bolts, therefore it limits full forward motion of the seat. Not a problem for me as I'm 5' 11". Shorter drivers may have an issue.
I also agree with Halon as the best agent. Even with a full fire suppression system. I've seen a car with a foam (i.e. water) system in action - there is a big whoosh of steam as the water is instantly boiled off and the fire continues burning.
01-23-2014, 02:53 AM
#14
Race Director
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Ray, you've confirmed my suspicion that the way the mount attaches might limit seat movement. Since my plan was to install it on the passenger side, I don't suppose that's a big issue. Could you guesstimate how much travel is allowed with a FE in place?
Macca, that looks like a lovely piece of work. The question is whether it would fit under an adaptive sport seat. My understanding is that the motors, and all the kit for the air bladders and such limits what can be mounted under there.
Ray, you've confirmed my suspicion that the way the mount attaches might limit seat movement. Since my plan was to install it on the passenger side, I don't suppose that's a big issue. Could you guesstimate how much travel is allowed with a FE in place?
Macca, that looks like a lovely piece of work. The question is whether it would fit under an adaptive sport seat. My understanding is that the motors, and all the kit for the air bladders and such limits what can be mounted under there.
01-23-2014, 10:53 AM
#15
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Ray, you've confirmed my suspicion that the way the mount attaches might limit seat movement. Since my plan was to install it on the passenger side, I don't suppose that's a big issue. Could you guesstimate how much travel is allowed with a FE in place?
Ray, you've confirmed my suspicion that the way the mount attaches might limit seat movement. Since my plan was to install it on the passenger side, I don't suppose that's a big issue. Could you guesstimate how much travel is allowed with a FE in place?