PC Valkyrie

Ring time: 7:34
Hockenheim: 1:08,7

On Dunlop Sport Maxx Race tires (same class of tire as the Michelin Sport Cup 2 on the 991 GT3).

Interesting. The 991 GT3 posted a slightly faster Ring laptime (7:32), but a slower Hockenheim laptime (1:09,6) during it's Supertest.

Final score was 98 points, 1 point higher than the 991 GT3.

SamFromTX

Not sure why the higher score. Yes, the TTS has gobs of low end torque but the whole track experience, to me (having driven both on track), is much better in the GT3. The all wheel drive in the TTS is very advanced and will pull out of turns much faster than the GT3 but I find the rear wheel drive to be more enjoyable, by a lot.

Sean in Texas

Nice plate Sam

SamFromTX

CaymanR-Racer

The points result from the measured times etc and don't show how he ranks the car … the GT3 lost a point in the acceleration and brake test (probably just didn't make the 10/10 there) in comparison the the Turbo S…
btw: the TTS braked faster from 200 - 0 km/h than the gt3 … maybe the dunlop got more grip?

wanna911

Almost a second faster on the handling circuit, but somehow slower on the hp track? That's very odd.

0Q991

And better braking? Isn't the system the same on the 2 cars, with the TTS carrying around a lot more weight?!

TurboS

997 GT2 7:33
997 GT2 RS 7:24

Modified GT2, somewhere in between.
Conclusion, Keep the Deux.

SamFromTX

Unless ceramics versus steel. The GT3 will brake the same but needs a substanially more foce to do that. I think they took away some power ssist to help modulation as I don't recall the C4S needing all that work. You just get used to it, though.

xybyx

Sector times of Nurburgring for GT3 and Turbo S look bizzare to me.

Turbo S is faster than GT3 in the sector between Karussel and Dotinger Hohe (1:54.9 vs. 1:55.1). Was expecting GT3 to be faster.

On Dotinger Hohe the Turbo S was slower than GT3 (0:43.5 vs. 0:43.1) and the Turbo S press car for Sport Auto had over 600ps....

jumper5836

I've seen the RS and it says 7:18
Zr1 7:19
C6 Z06 (z07) 7:22
http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/

Keep it now, have you got the ecu tuned yet and dyno'd. Plus you got 5 lugs.
With the new Z06(z07) coming out in 2015 I think it will drop a good 6 seconds off the Zr1 time.

TurboS

I'm pretty sure I can keep up with a ZR 1.

I've seen many lap times by others as well. I prefer to believe same driver different cars. All data from Sport Auto tests by driver Horst von Saurma. At least there is consistency with one source and one driver.

PORSCHES:
7:24.-- @ 168.64 kph .... 997.2 GT2RS .... 620PS / 1405kg (SA 11/10)
7:32.-- @ 163.91 kph .... Carrera GT .... 612PS / 1475kg (SA 01/04)
7:33.-- @ 163.71 kph .... 997.1 GT2 .... 530PS / 1497kg (SA 11/07)
7:33.-- @ 163.71 kph .... 997.2 GT3RS .... 450PS / 1417kg (SA 05/10)
7:40.-- @ 161.22 kph .... 997.2 GT3 .... 435PS / 1426kg (SA 06/09)
7:44.-- @ 159.83 kph .... 997.2 Turbo S .... 530PS / 1569kg (SA 03/11)
7:46.-- @ 159.14 kph .... 996.1 GT2 .... 462PS / 1450kg (SA 06/01)
7:47.-- @ 158.80 kph .... 997.2 Turbo .... 500PS / 1573kg (SA 03/11)
7:48.-- @ 158.46 kph .... 997.1 GT3RS .... 415PS / 1424kg (SA 03/07)
7:48.-- @ 158.46 kph .... 997.1 GT3 .... 415PS / 1440kg (SA 07/06)
7:54.-- @ 156.46 kph .... 997.1 Turbo .... 480PS / 1620kg (SA 06/07)
7:54.-- @ 156.46 kph .... 996.2 GT3 .... 380PS / 1380kg (SA 09/03)
7:56.-- @ 155.80 kph .... 996 Turbo .... 420PS / 1569kg (SA 06/00)
8:12.-- @ 150.73 kph .... 993 Turbo S .... 430PS / 1506kg (SA 03/97)

Dag Johnsen

The thing is, Horst von Saurma only drives 2 laps. One warm up and one full throttle. If he drove 20 laps in each car he could go even faster. And like in earlier test he manages to get much closer to the full potential in the GT3 vs the turbo.
The turbo S probably has potential to go faster than the GT3 but you have to dig deeper. Porsche itself claims it is 1 second faster than the GT3. (7,25 vs 7.26) HvS/ Sport Auto tested 997 turbo twice, because Porsche was not satisfied with the 7.56 lap time in that Supertest. Their test drivers drove the 997 turbo at 7.40 laps all day long, but they knew the tricks of course. Second test only gave a 7.54, quite disappointing.
My guess is the GT3 has a potential around the Porsche claim of 7.26, but the turbo S might be close to the 7.18 of the mighty GT2 RS.

Cheers :-)

Nizer

Weight matters.

darth g-f

Unless tests are done on the same day by the same driver, arguing a 2sec/lap difference on the Nurburgring is crazy irrelevant.

Anyone that spent some time on the track (and did some datalogging), weather/temperature will greatly affect lap times. Condition of the tires, brakes, fuel level, driver error etc. There is nothing scientific in those tests, it's all for fun. Not worth frying brain cells over why did the GT3 was .2sec slower in that section.