triode

Sorry Mike, your straw man is showing.

The poll was of Porsche lovers rather than an opposing "party"; who better to poll regarding the traditionally most focused driver's car in the Porsche lineup? Common sense would indeed dictate that this is exactly the group to poll - dedicated Porsche nuts, many of whom have voted with their wallets (to Porsche's benefit, no less) for decades - and who form the most likely buying group for Porsche's higher performance models. Would you suggest having put the question to the Camry Owners' Club instead?

A 60/40 split in a Presidential election is generally considered to be bordering on a landslide. And if the poll results here had gone as decisively the other way, you'd no doubt cite it as support for your preference - when what it shows instead is exactly what many of us have been saying all along: a choice of transmissions should have been offered - a common sense result if ever there was one.

911rox

Mike means that the poll has been conducted on a US forum full of enthusiasts and stick lovers all the like and yet there was still a 40% preference for PDK on the forum most inclined to be biased to manual ... A poll on European forums where there is bias far more towards PDK would likely not have been as favourable for manual... His analogy is valid IMHO and I'm a stick guy...

JRRSA

Manual, 3 pedals for me.

triode

I understand what he "means" - this isn't a comprehension issue on my end - it's just that he's using a tortured non sequitur to attempt to make his point.

If you look at the members' domiciles, many who post here are overseas, so to say that RL is a "US forum" is a bit myopic - the beauty of the 'net is that anyone can chime in from anywhere. And what is your basis for saying that RL in general, or the 991 GT3 forum (by definition, a PDK-only car at this point) in particular, is biased toward manual? I'd say that they're instead geared toward Porsche lovers of all stripes.

And since you say that enthusiasts = stick lovers...well, you've proven my point regarding the need for a tranny choice for an enthusiast car.

Nizer

I trust the methodology underlying this conclusion was not a poll......

Mike in CA

Chris summarized my point exactly.

I could defend my example and counter your response, triode, but since you understand what I mean, even if you disagree with how I said it, then there's really no point boring everyone with a discussion of my presentation. Sorry if mine didn't sit well with you. In the future, I'll be sure to run my non-sequiters by you first to make sure they're not overly tortured!

I'm perfectly satisfied to disagree agreeably and leave it at that.

wanna911

Well stated.

Manifold

The basis has to be speculation, and the more objective data we have (the poll) suggests about equal preference for manual vs PDK in this forum.

Nizer

Wow, that's a lot of assumptions.

The following are facts:

1) 100 of 175 voters to date in this pole would prefer a manual.

2) Three well-regarded automotive journalists have actually driven the car and still car pine for a manual.

Regardless of your opinion of these facts, I highly doubt they reflect results Porsche hoped to see.

911rox

Nizer, I'm on your side...I won't buy the new car with pdk. My point was to point out that contrary to previous suggestion, Mike's analogy was valid because unlike other forums full of wannabes and dreamers, this forum has a huge GT enthusiast following that tracks yet the pdk polled well once it went anonymous...

neanicu

Yes Chris,that's what I thought as well...when I first started this thread and there wasn't any Poll,the vast majority was voting for a manual transmission. As soon as the actual Poll went up,the results became quite surprising and as I said before,40 something percent in favor of PDK is a very good result on an enthusiast forum.
Mmmmm...I wonder if AP asked some of his colleagues to register on Rennlist and anonymously vote on this Poll...

TRAKCAR

I think Mike in CA is really AP in D ...

frayed

LOL.

But I don't think so. He doesn't write with a German accent.

Mike in CA

Ok, you got me. Been planning this ever since 2001 when I became a member, just waiting for the opportunity to finally mess with your collective American heads!

If y'all (would AP use y'all? ) know anything about conducting a poll you understand that the parameters of how you extract polling data are very specific. This is hardly a scientific poll, by any stretch of the imagination. It's a straw poll which measures the preferences of a specific audience with no concern given to obtaining a representative sample.

That said, given the RL audience, I was surprised to see this many people vote for PDK. To me that indicates that even among a "rabid" enthusiast group, a very significant number choose PDK and not a MT. If you made sure to include a representative sampling of the entire sports car buying population, including a statistically valid cross section of buyers from all countries, I suspect the results would skew even more heavily toward PDK.

Some may disagree with that assumption; so be it. The bottom line is that Porsche is currently selling significantly more PDK cars world wide than MT cars. For good or ill, that's the only poll that really counts, and the only real measure of whether Porsche's gearbox choice is a swing and a miss or not.

Meine Herren und Damen Ich wünsche Ihnen guten Abend!

RR

Rennlist seams to be a us weighted forum and them maybe uk second - maybe I'm wrong?

Interestingly the US and UK are the only countries in the world (besides Iberia) who have NOT adopted the metric system...coincidence???