Article regarding he death of manual
06-02-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Good point...but why wouldn't Porsche make it 'an option' to try it out before purchase if it wanted to make the case for the 991 gt3? In North America, for example, all PCNA would have to do is announce a 991 gt3 test drive day at Barber's Sport Driving School in Alabama with Cass Whitehead and his fellow instructors, put a price on it ($1800) and challenge the 'doubters' to come drive it at the track before they buy! The same test drive program could be offered on the Porsche Sport Driving Schools in Australia, England, Germany, etc! This 'gt3 intro' would be different that the courses where they have previously offered students where they drive gt3's, which required attendance at all the entry levels courses and was intended more as a 'Master' or 'Advance' program. No, let anyone attend it and just let the instructor judge how fast they will let him drive it according to his driving skill level! It is just to give folks a 'taste' of the new 991 gt3's capabilities and see if they would be interested in purchasing such a vehicle afterwards! Let's see if Porsche has the 'imagination' to offer such a program! It would be a great education for all concerned!
Saludos,
Eduardo
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Saludos,
Eduardo
Colorado
06-02-2013 | 05:33 PM
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If they are selling every GT3 they can produce there would be no need for test drives. However, your idea has merit. When I was in the Ferrari family, they made available to me the California (new and before production) to drive for a day. I took them up on the offer but was not persuaded to buy one.
As soon as I see GT3's hold up at Sebring for a few months and they put the right seats in, I will ask for a day long test drive.
06-02-2013 | 05:59 PM
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I just heard about the upcoming Porsche electronic feature called PAL (Porsche Automatische Lenkung or Porsche Automatic Steering).
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts!
) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts!
) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!
06-02-2013 | 06:04 PM
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Thanks Mike... A fair way to go yet to match Luke's times with consistency and then I've still gotta improve my inputs to minimise SC interventions...
Fair call on your part. I'm not against pdk and hope to one day have the opportunity to try one out on track to see for myself how engaging it can be. I just wouldn't spend the kind of many one costs here to find out and as I'm sure is the case there, try before you buy really isn't an option here, especially on track...
Fair call on your part. I'm not against pdk and hope to one day have the opportunity to try one out on track to see for myself how engaging it can be. I just wouldn't spend the kind of many one costs here to find out and as I'm sure is the case there, try before you buy really isn't an option here, especially on track...
06-02-2013 | 06:10 PM
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here is what I think. PDK is an awesome technology.
As soon as I will understand how to repair this transmission, how much it will cost to replace its clutches, how much it will cost to buy new gears I will buy one.
on a positive side GT Gears already made LSDs for PDK as I understand so with time hopefully it will be as common as a manual gearbox. It is just a regular customer is not a racing team, you cannot just presume that the only way to repair this PDK unit it to get a complete new assembly from a factory. It is how they deal with it right now if problem arises and I really do not want that for my future out of warranty car. Other than that - it is a very good transmission.
As soon as I will understand how to repair this transmission, how much it will cost to replace its clutches, how much it will cost to buy new gears I will buy one.
on a positive side GT Gears already made LSDs for PDK as I understand so with time hopefully it will be as common as a manual gearbox. It is just a regular customer is not a racing team, you cannot just presume that the only way to repair this PDK unit it to get a complete new assembly from a factory. It is how they deal with it right now if problem arises and I really do not want that for my future out of warranty car. Other than that - it is a very good transmission.
We of made an LSD because of the demands of racers. Motorsports determines every major decision at my company. And with the PDk LSD we have the same problem we had with the 997 MT, no bearings as a service part. We are having to make custom bearings for the future when racers wear them out. In the short term we reuse stock bearings on install of our replacement LSD.
06-02-2013 | 06:18 PM
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I just heard about the upcoming Porsche electronic feature called PAL (Porsche Automatische Lenkung or Porsche Automatic Steering).
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts! ) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts!
) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!hahaha, that was a good one.
select name of your favorite driver.....
06-03-2013 | 12:33 AM
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Good point...but why wouldn't Porsche make it 'an option' to try it out before purchase if it wanted to make the case for the 991 gt3? In North America, for example, all PCNA would have to do is announce a 991 gt3 test drive day at Barber's Sport Driving School in Alabama with Cass Whitehead and his fellow instructors, put a price on it ($1800) and challenge the 'doubters' to come drive it at the track before they buy! The same test drive program could be offered on the Porsche Sport Driving Schools in Australia, England, Germany, etc! This 'gt3 intro' would be different that the courses where they have previously offered students where they drive gt3's, which required attendance at all the entry levels courses and was intended more as a 'Master' or 'Advance' program. No, let anyone attend it and just let the instructor judge how fast they will let him drive it according to his driving skill level! It is just to give folks a 'taste' of the new 991 gt3's capabilities and see if they would be interested in purchasing such a vehicle afterwards! Let's see if Porsche has the 'imagination' to offer such a program! It would be a great education for all concerned!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Colorado
Saludos,
Eduardo
Colorado
with the 997.2, PCA here showed initiative and hosted a test day for prospective owners. The only problem was that it was a very pricey affair, approx $2500.00 IIRC plus airfares and accommodation as the event was in Queensland. they had 2 cars available and 24 spots so as you can see, its a lot to spend for maybe 20-30 min of seat time... It would be great if they made one available at the track days they host locally instead of all the boxsters, caymans and panameras which they are trying to promote...
In reality, due to the limited numbers of these cars, you've often got to pay to play, often sight unseen. The 997.2, I was happy to do this for, the new breed I'd have to drive to be won over and I'd wait until Trakcar (Pete) has flogged the crap out of it at Sebring for a year for true durability testing before parting with a further $300+k
06-03-2013 | 03:45 AM
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chris, i went to the 7.2 day at queensland raceway - was fantastic!
had luffy as my instructor, got plenty of seat time as they had 3 cars there.
price was $2k inclusive of accommodation, food, and transfers.
had luffy as my instructor, got plenty of seat time as they had 3 cars there.
price was $2k inclusive of accommodation, food, and transfers.
06-03-2013 | 06:42 AM
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Champ, I don't remember you mentioning you'd gone but you would have had an awesome day! It was great of PCA to even host the event... By that point, my mind was made up, an expression of interest order placed in 2008 was now locked in and the car had been specced as it was exactly what I wanted based on the 997.1 they'd given me to drive on a couple of days... I was saving my pennies for tyres and track time following the pending delivery... 
With the new car, if PCM bring one to PI at future track events, I'll request a drive. I doubt I'd be willing to pay $2+k for the privilege when its so far from what I want on paper at least...
With the new car, if PCM bring one to PI at future track events, I'll request a drive. I doubt I'd be willing to pay $2+k for the privilege when its so far from what I want on paper at least...
06-03-2013 | 07:17 AM
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I just heard about the upcoming Porsche electronic feature called PAL (Porsche Automatische Lenkung or Porsche Automatic Steering).
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts! ) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!
When combined with the PDK (Porsche Dupple Kupplung) and PAB (Porsche Aktives Bremsen, Porsche Active Braking), PASM, PTV+, PCCB...you can just get in in the car and buckle up (you still have to buckle your own seat belts!
) select the name of your favorite driver from the PCM and the car will just do identical laptimes as your driver!!Also, when you select all these optional systems you get a complementary massage driving seat specifically developed to allow a relaxed lotus-position, as well as a built-in yoga music producer and incense smoke generator, so that you can get out of the car relaxed and calm after you have shown the best lap time of the day. Porsche 911 "Om!" Edition.
06-03-2013 | 07:19 AM
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I do not think we will see service parts for the PDk for the foreseeable future. Just as they did with the 997 and 996 MT they will wait 5 years or more before they sell service parts, if ever.
We of made an LSD because of the demands of racers. Motorsports determines every major decision at my company. And with the PDk LSD we have the same problem we had with the 997 MT, no bearings as a service part. We are having to make custom bearings for the future when racers wear them out. In the short term we reuse stock bearings on install of our replacement LSD.
We of made an LSD because of the demands of racers. Motorsports determines every major decision at my company. And with the PDk LSD we have the same problem we had with the 997 MT, no bearings as a service part. We are having to make custom bearings for the future when racers wear them out. In the short term we reuse stock bearings on install of our replacement LSD.
06-03-2013 | 08:27 AM
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You forgot the PAAS - Porsche Active Acceleration System. It uses the latest technology to scan the surroundings and also works with PDK, PAB, PAL and PCCB to select the right acceleration amount, to improve your lap times. Also great on the public streets and in traffic. Recommended by Mr. Grannies-drive-paddles Preuninger and the good ole Mr. I-work-for-Porsche-instead-of-retirement Röhrl.
Also, when you select all these optional systems you get a complementary massage driving seat specifically developed to allow a relaxed lotus-position, as well as a built-in yoga music producer and incense smoke generator, so that you can get out of the car relaxed and calm after you have shown the best lap time of the day. Porsche 911 "Om!" Edition.
Also, when you select all these optional systems you get a complementary massage driving seat specifically developed to allow a relaxed lotus-position, as well as a built-in yoga music producer and incense smoke generator, so that you can get out of the car relaxed and calm after you have shown the best lap time of the day. Porsche 911 "Om!" Edition.
Ok - sorry...I know that this is a serious thread!
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06-03-2013 | 09:32 AM
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Yes!!! You are right! I knew that I had missed something...the point is that for an average driver like me, the laptimes will as good as Herr Röhrl and I can just sit back in the car and catch some snooze with the PSS (Porsche Schlafen Sitz, Porsche Sleeping Seat)! Can't wait!
Ok - sorry...I know that this is a serious thread!
Ok - sorry...I know that this is a serious thread!
06-03-2013 | 09:37 AM
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I'd pay $1000 + insurance for a day to take it for a test drive at Sebring.
After a day or weekend at the track I would have my answer;
Keep my deposit for RS when they announce PDK only or ask for a refund?
After a day or weekend at the track I would have my answer;
Keep my deposit for RS when they announce PDK only or ask for a refund?
06-03-2013 | 09:58 AM
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Agreed Pete! Hell, I'd pay $2k here for a whole day, considering it costs just shy of $1k just to thrash my own car around PI. Once you've smashed one around Sebring for a year, I'll then consider it proven and purchase worthy if the pdk appeals!