GT3 RS Rumors
03-10-2013, 03:31 AM
#31
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trust me, i take 800mg ibuprofen before i drive. then 1600 mg after i drive.
i do the same when i ride bikes.
i used to ride non suspended bikes, now i need 6" shocks. soon i 'll be racing wheel chairs.
my racing saddle: you dont want to know what i need to do to my *** after the rides.
i do the same when i ride bikes.
i used to ride non suspended bikes, now i need 6" shocks. soon i 'll be racing wheel chairs.
my racing saddle: you dont want to know what i need to do to my *** after the rides.
03-10-2013, 03:36 AM
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i WAS immortal. fell of mt bike, dislocated shoulder, instaed of turing back, i decided to finish my 40 mile dirt ride.
handle bar fell off, stem face plate done. hell, hookooekoo can't be that hard. i made it home with detachable handle bar.
lost my glasses (i am -9 both eyes) i made it home after hitting a few trees ;-)
but i love my ibuprofen.
handle bar fell off, stem face plate done. hell, hookooekoo can't be that hard. i made it home with detachable handle bar.
lost my glasses (i am -9 both eyes) i made it home after hitting a few trees ;-)
but i love my ibuprofen.
03-10-2013, 10:02 AM
#35
Race Car
03-10-2013, 10:03 AM
#36
Race Car
trust me, i take 800mg ibuprofen before i drive. then 1600 mg after i drive.
i do the same when i ride bikes.
i used to ride non suspended bikes, now i need 6" shocks. soon i 'll be racing wheel chairs.
my racing saddle: you dont want to know what i need to do to my *** after the rides.
i do the same when i ride bikes.
i used to ride non suspended bikes, now i need 6" shocks. soon i 'll be racing wheel chairs.
my racing saddle: you dont want to know what i need to do to my *** after the rides.
03-10-2013, 10:49 AM
#37
Shizzle, if you make a similar study of what seats were ordered by customers vs dealer (for spec inventory) on the .2 gt3's and even some .2 gt3 RS, you will find the same degree of dealer bias in favor of ordering the more comfortable 'sport seats' rather than the gt2 sport buckets! That is PART of the bigger story here! The US dealer network has played (in my opinion) a major role in convincing PCNA not to allow the gt2 seats to be offered on the 991 gt3!
BUT PCNA was easily convinced not to offer gt2 sport buckets seats on the 991 gt3 because they (and their lawyers) want to see LESS 991 gt3's at the track than more. That is the SECOND part of this story. Not having the proper seat is an obstacle and gives them some legal cover ('not intended to be taken to the track'), a sort of unsigned waiver! Most 991 gt3's that are going to be used hard at the track will need to change seats and the lawyers think this 'extra step' will help them down the road should a legal case surface. The reason for this 'shift' is due to the real issues that recent .1 & .2 gt3's have suffered under intense track usage (CL, faulty hoses, etc). The fact is that our US laws offer more protection of the customer (and injured parties) than in other world market. So any adverse gt3 incidents here (e.g. deaths caused by fault of the car) will have real legal & financial consequences for PAG and PCNA in our US jurisdiction!
This is a major 'shift' in marketing and reality for the 991 gt3 in the US and it will have major consequences for our hobby here! I think PAG is hoping that the upcoming 991 gt3 RS will be bullet-proof and thus be designated as the proper 'track' car for the US enthusiasts. That is the model they will want to 'push' us to use on the track as 'amateurs'. That is what the PCNA's lawyers are praying will happen! We will see. But 'caveat emptor'.
Saludos, z356
BUT PCNA was easily convinced not to offer gt2 sport buckets seats on the 991 gt3 because they (and their lawyers) want to see LESS 991 gt3's at the track than more. That is the SECOND part of this story. Not having the proper seat is an obstacle and gives them some legal cover ('not intended to be taken to the track'), a sort of unsigned waiver! Most 991 gt3's that are going to be used hard at the track will need to change seats and the lawyers think this 'extra step' will help them down the road should a legal case surface. The reason for this 'shift' is due to the real issues that recent .1 & .2 gt3's have suffered under intense track usage (CL, faulty hoses, etc). The fact is that our US laws offer more protection of the customer (and injured parties) than in other world market. So any adverse gt3 incidents here (e.g. deaths caused by fault of the car) will have real legal & financial consequences for PAG and PCNA in our US jurisdiction!
This is a major 'shift' in marketing and reality for the 991 gt3 in the US and it will have major consequences for our hobby here! I think PAG is hoping that the upcoming 991 gt3 RS will be bullet-proof and thus be designated as the proper 'track' car for the US enthusiasts. That is the model they will want to 'push' us to use on the track as 'amateurs'. That is what the PCNA's lawyers are praying will happen! We will see. But 'caveat emptor'.
Saludos, z356
And your comments get to the base of why I have come to disrespect Porsche as a company and brand- the only time you see or hear from them is when they are selling a new model. You couldn't get away from them marketing their $1m albatross the 918 a few months ago. GD test mules were all over the fricken world.
Try and get some answers or help with the defects and sub-standard for tracking issues (coolant fitting, clutches, LSD's, rollbar plates, centerlocks, tapered brake pad wear, can't 2-3 shift under lateral load, toe-link slippage) and you are screwed. Those same marketing hacks want nothing to do with you.
Marketing says go thrash the heck out it! Reality says sucker!
When you as a manufacturer have the unmitigated gall to charge me over $1000 for a single rear toe link (GT2RS), and $3000+ for the crap necessary to replace a rear bumper cover on a GT3 (Cayenne Turbo is ~$350! WTF?) that is when I say to you - GFY. And I did, and made the switch to a car manufacturer that is so confident in their product, they provide you with a "Track Use Guide" (see attached) !
03-10-2013, 10:50 AM
#38
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+1 Spot on, IMHO. It's ridiculous that Porsche cannot offer a stock seat w/ pass throughs at the very least, maybe the 'Vette having them will make them reconsider. Of course that would only be if the 991 GT3 doesn't sell well...which is doubtful.
I've been biting my tongue, or in internet lingo, cupping my finger tips on this seat issue. While I couldn't agree more that we should have a CHOICE of racing vs casual DE seat (sport buckets vs sport or *** seats), let's not bash those *** seats altogether, okay? While the RS crowd wants and probably should have the GT2 seats, they just need to wait for the RS. The GT3 has ALWAYS come standard with NON-RACING seats.
As far as the *** seats are concerned, I've tracked for two years now, over 40 track-days, with my *** seats and it's really not a problem on short tracks as far as fatigue goes (and they are absolutely a dream on long drives!). Yes, my shoulders are tired at day's end from holding on to the steering wheel a little too much because of the lack of a harness but if you're of small to medium (i.e. not AMERICAN) frame, you're good. Besides, like someone mentioned earlier, if you have a long upper torso like I do, you DO NOT FIT into the racing seats. I "test-sat" with my helmet on and it didn't work plus the headrest (top portion of the GT2 seat is angled forward) is extremely uncomfortable, at least for me, to seat in a car like this. And if you're approaching the latter stage of your life (when you most can afford your GT3 :-), lumbar support and various adjustments is HEAVEN...and adjusting, i.e. "leaning" the seat backwards to gain headroom doesn't work for people with bad backs...
As far as safety goes, that's all relative to your risk management strategy. If I were good enough to drive ***** out, I would have a 6-point, HANS, and a FULL cage but I'm not, like most GT3 drivers and for us, the *** seats are not that bad.
What we should have, like the Aston Martins, the new Corvette, and others come standard with is comfortable, adjustable, somewhat light-weight seats with pass through at the shoulders and the seat bottom so the customer can decided what to do. Unfortunately, Porsche hasn't figured this out yet...
Again, I think *** seats in a "regular" GT3 are good. I rest in peace, no flames please.
Horst.
As far as the *** seats are concerned, I've tracked for two years now, over 40 track-days, with my *** seats and it's really not a problem on short tracks as far as fatigue goes (and they are absolutely a dream on long drives!). Yes, my shoulders are tired at day's end from holding on to the steering wheel a little too much because of the lack of a harness but if you're of small to medium (i.e. not AMERICAN) frame, you're good. Besides, like someone mentioned earlier, if you have a long upper torso like I do, you DO NOT FIT into the racing seats. I "test-sat" with my helmet on and it didn't work plus the headrest (top portion of the GT2 seat is angled forward) is extremely uncomfortable, at least for me, to seat in a car like this. And if you're approaching the latter stage of your life (when you most can afford your GT3 :-), lumbar support and various adjustments is HEAVEN...and adjusting, i.e. "leaning" the seat backwards to gain headroom doesn't work for people with bad backs...
As far as safety goes, that's all relative to your risk management strategy. If I were good enough to drive ***** out, I would have a 6-point, HANS, and a FULL cage but I'm not, like most GT3 drivers and for us, the *** seats are not that bad.
What we should have, like the Aston Martins, the new Corvette, and others come standard with is comfortable, adjustable, somewhat light-weight seats with pass through at the shoulders and the seat bottom so the customer can decided what to do. Unfortunately, Porsche hasn't figured this out yet...
Again, I think *** seats in a "regular" GT3 are good. I rest in peace, no flames please.
Horst.
03-10-2013, 11:02 AM
#39
It is very unfortunate that the sport buckets are not an option. I don't think they will be available for the RS either given PCNAs presumed reasoning to eliminate them on the GT3. I'd order these seats for any two door Porsche currently offered if I were speccing a car. Many people dislike the 991 GT3 for different reasons, but my number one is these lack of these seats. This dark cloud has a silver lining though...although small, Porsche will feel the effect with my wallet when I buy the C7 ZO6 instead and save myself $50K in the process.
03-10-2013, 11:02 AM
#40
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It just won't sell well to track junkies, mission accomplished.
Corvette comes up a lot. Still needs to prove itself, but I like their intent, content, or at least they seem to be more honest in their marketing towards track use.
Corvette comes up a lot. Still needs to prove itself, but I like their intent, content, or at least they seem to be more honest in their marketing towards track use.
03-10-2013, 11:58 AM
#41
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You don't have to be going ***** out to get hurt on track. A spin, running into spilled fluids, etc. can be significant on tracks with little run off. I've seen it many times. Granted there are many who track with little to no safety equipment, but once you use all the things you mention, you likely won't go back. No need to brace yourself to stay in the seat!
03-10-2013, 12:12 PM
#42
My point was intended to be that it is honestly and transparently presented, marketed, and supported (the track use document) for what it is.
03-10-2013, 12:21 PM
#43
Burning Brakes
Thought long and hard about going the BAC Mono route...but you can't do the EVO triangle... the Nordschliefe...Stelvio...without a support car running with you....at least I can't.
03-10-2013, 12:27 PM
#44
Savy....the BAC mono is one hell of a track tool...but i could not imagine using it as a street car...
Thought long and hard about going the BAC Mono route...but you can't do the EVO triangle... the Nordschliefe...Stelvio...without a support car running with you....at least I can't.
Thought long and hard about going the BAC Mono route...but you can't do the EVO triangle... the Nordschliefe...Stelvio...without a support car running with you....at least I can't.
Again, I am agreed it is not something I personally want to drive as a street car, but Bill why would you say you would need a support car? It should get great fuel mileage at cruising speed? Just asking - no ulterior motive to the question, curious to hear your thought.
03-10-2013, 01:24 PM
#45
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Shizzle, if you make a similar study of what seats were ordered by customers vs dealer (for spec inventory) on the .2 gt3's and even some .2 gt3 RS, you will find the same degree of dealer bias in favor of ordering the more comfortable 'sport seats' rather than the gt2 sport buckets! That is PART of the bigger story here! The US dealer network has played (in my opinion) a major role in convincing PCNA not to allow the gt2 seats to be offered on the 991 gt3!
Saludos, z356
Saludos, z356
And the other question based on your analysis - why do all the fears of American lawyers have to take away the sports bucket seats for us Canadians!?
