The first I hate that the new GT3 doesnt have a clutch thread
03-25-2013, 07:04 PM
#137
I won't get into an argument about whether MT's are a bigger part of Porsche tradition than air cooled engines, or whether they contribute more to the Porsche experience; that's purely subjective. This is fact, however: if anyone thinks the switch over from air to water cooling wasn't a huge deal, and for some folks the end of Porsche as we knew it, you either weren't a Porsche owner at the time, or you just weren't paying attention. 
03-25-2013, 07:24 PM
#138
Drifting
I don't know I see no common relation to air cooled vs having a manual & clutch pedal. Having a pedal forces you to change gears and think about what gear your in and where you want to go. Air cooling doesn't change the way you drive it. Also how good is air cooling in today's stop and go traffic on a blistering hot day. I can recall Porsches catching fire in because it. Heck my computer cpu is liquid cooled.
+1 no relation. Air cooling has no affect on the drivers relationship with the car.
Air cooling is about the same as the headlight issue.
Like I've said before, a lumping all car improvements into a pile as if they are categorically similar in their affect on the driving experience is nonsense.
Air cooling is about the same as the headlight issue.
Like I've said before, a lumping all car improvements into a pile as if they are categorically similar in their affect on the driving experience is nonsense.
No cooling issues in Atlanta traffic for me.
03-26-2013, 10:13 AM
#139
Rennlist Member
The Porsche dealers across the country are ultimately who sold us out. The "voice" of the customer to Porsche is effectively our dealers, and I found out from my local dealer that they were all given a "questionnaire" from Porsche about the manual transmission and how the customer would react to it going away in the GT3.
The majority of dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
The majority of dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
03-26-2013, 10:33 AM
#140
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I won't get into an argument about whether MT's are a bigger part of Porsche tradition than air cooled engines, or whether they contribute more to the Porsche experience; that's purely subjective. This is fact, however: if anyone thinks the switch over from air to water cooling wasn't a huge deal, and for some folks the end of Porsche as we knew it, you either weren't a Porsche owner at the time, or you just weren't paying attention.
Besides, you know very well that Porsche was using water cooled already for 928, 944 etc..plus - and more importantly in all its dominant racing cars..since the middle-late seventies..
So- you see - Im paying attention..
03-26-2013, 10:39 AM
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The Porsche dealers across the country are ultimately who sold us out. The "voice" of the customer to Porsche is effectively our dealers, and I found out from my local dealer that they were all given a "questionnaire" from Porsche about the manual transmission and how the customer would react to it going away in the GT3.
The majority of dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
The majority of dealers basically told Porsche not to worry about, and that they could sell more cars if it was PDK only, for no more reason than that they wanted to also sell more cars via the double clutch. It was greed on the part of all our dealers who ultimately sold us out. This came straight from the GM of my local dealer. Pretty upsetting actually.
Strange story..by the way, the dealers have no share in this..Porsche just itself decides what they want to do. In todays times dealers are not asked for anything ..on the contrary...they are forced to do things..all they can do is "obey the orders"..and I know dealers GMs too...
03-26-2013, 04:57 PM
#142
Race Director
"if anyone thinks the switch over from air to water cooling wasn't a huge deal".. well..at that time the www was just starting...and I think there was no rennlist either.
Besides, you know very well that Porsche was using water cooled already for 928, 944 etc..plus - and more importantly in all its dominant racing cars..since the middle-late seventies..
So- you see - Im paying attention..
Besides, you know very well that Porsche was using water cooled already for 928, 944 etc..plus - and more importantly in all its dominant racing cars..since the middle-late seventies..
So- you see - Im paying attention..
Yes, Porsche used water cooling in the 944 and 928 but to a lot of purists those cars weren't "real" Porsches either. It was an entirely different thing when the quintessential Porsche, the 911, went to water cooling; a much bigger deal than the lack of a MT option on the GT3.Believe it or not, people communicated with each other before Rennlist, including on the internet. The www was already going pretty good in the 90's; although you were still in grade school and probably don't remember when a 14.4KB dial-up modem was considered "fast".
03-28-2013, 02:09 PM
#144
03-28-2013, 02:37 PM
#145
Race Director
03-28-2013, 02:40 PM
#146
Nordschleife Master
03-28-2013, 02:55 PM
#147
Race Director
Maybe you had ideal conditions. Line by line is a bit of an exaggeration, but not too much. In the '80's and early '90's and the days of V.22, V.26, and V.32 on a mediocre dial up connection that was very nearly the case. As a telcom engineer I received frequent complaints from customers re: bad circuit quality and resultant poor download times, and experienced them myself.
03-29-2013, 11:19 PM
#148
Three Wheelin'
At my first 'computer' (DP/IT/IS) position (1980), remote support was handled via dial-up modems running at 300 baud - only about 5% of the customers were willing to pay for the 'fast' 1200 baud modems.
Pictures would have been out of the question. Thankfully, none of the terminals could handle it.
While the internet existed, there wasn't much to 'see'.
Pictures would have been out of the question. Thankfully, none of the terminals could handle it.
While the internet existed, there wasn't much to 'see'.
03-30-2013, 02:39 PM
#149
Rennlist Member
Does anyone really think that driving a PDK equipped GT3 will be more fun to drive than a manual, especially on the street and isn't that what it's really all about.
Last edited by BG; 03-30-2013 at 03:08 PM.
03-30-2013, 03:11 PM
#150
Race Director
Seriously, I've driven manuals for 40 years. I've driven a PDK Carrera S for 4, both for autox and on the street. Especially in manual mode, and when you spend some time with it and learn what it can do in a variety of situations, PDK is absolutely as much fun as any MT car I've ever owned. I expect the new GT3 PDK mated to that 475HP 9K RPM engine will be a blast to drive on the street.