Anyone with an R going to get the new ST?
08-12-2023, 01:46 PM
#31
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Drifting - I would not buy someone else's R and sell the GT3 Touring I spec'd to my own liking. But, hypothetically speaking, if I had the choice between an R with a SMFW and a brand-new ST, I would take the R (and keep the Touring).
I agree with you that the R is not necessarily "better" than the Touring but it certainly has some very unique qualities. And it is different enough from the Touring where I would not feel like I am being redundant in having both.
I agree with you that the R is not necessarily "better" than the Touring but it certainly has some very unique qualities. And it is different enough from the Touring where I would not feel like I am being redundant in having both.
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08-13-2023, 05:30 PM
#32
I am not pursuing a ST either. I love my R (passed 9,000 miles on today’s hoon) but not interested in something similar and probably less raw. Instead, I am getting a Radford 62-2 JPS for a touch of raw driving pleasure. Less than 1,000KGs, over 600bhp, 6 speed manual, no ABS, no traction control, no ABS and set up for me by a Formula 1 World Champion. Can’t wait to get it.
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08-13-2023, 08:27 PM
#33
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For me if i could get an ST allocation in PTS maritime im all over that, but my Johnson isn’t big enuf at the dealership so thats how the story ends.
essentially the ST is a 911r 2.0. Better? Just different.
Enjoy your R. Super super cool Porsche.
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08-21-2023, 07:20 PM
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any car that has the potential to be a collectable is out for me in particular if I have to pay the premium upfront . At MSRP I will be a taker but that is not happening in this environment.
as Mr Wonderful says on Shark tank: I am offering today's price and you want me to pay the price of the future assuming your growth predictions are spot on .
as Mr Wonderful says on Shark tank: I am offering today's price and you want me to pay the price of the future assuming your growth predictions are spot on .
08-22-2023, 02:02 PM
#36
If I had an R there is no way I would buy an ST, porsche is beginning to feel a lot like Panerai. Let's pump out as many special editions we can as fast as we can. At list I would buy but I wouldn't spend a penny over list. So needless to say I will not be owning that car or possibly anything new. Sometimes to move forwards you have to look backwards and right now nothing in the 992 lineup peeks my interest, So I am doing what I didn't think I would be doing and looking at the 993 and 997's as my next purchase.
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08-22-2023, 06:52 PM
#37
If I had an R there is no way I would buy an ST, porsche is beginning to feel a lot like Panerai. Let's pump out as many special editions we can as fast as we can. At list I would buy but I wouldn't spend a penny over list. So needless to say I will not be owning that car or possibly anything new. Sometimes to move forwards you have to look backwards and right now nothing in the 992 lineup peeks my interest, So I am doing what I didn't think I would be doing and looking at the 993 and 997's as my next purchase.
08-22-2023, 07:21 PM
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Porsche 911 Coupe (991.2 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 96.73 inches / 245.7 cm
Length : 179.61 inches / 456.2 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.04 inches / 127.1 cm
Front Axle : 61.06 inches / 155.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.22 inches / 155.5 cm
Porsche 911 Coupe (992 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 97.24 inches / 247.0 cm
Length : 180.04 inches / 457.3 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.35 inches / 127.9 cm
Front Axle : 63.03 inches / 160.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.14 inches / 155.3 cm
The only significant difference between the two is the front axle track being wider on the 992, which together with the double-wishbone suspension design makes for such a huge improvement that any marginal gain in "size" is totally overwhelmed in its importance. The overall widths are identical between the generations.
My other 911 is a 1973 and that car makes a 991 feel like a whale. I could understand someone drawing a line between the aircooled cars and watercooled cars (or between 997 and 991), but between 991 and 992 is really a stretch (I don’t notice any difference). I won't ever own either, but I'd take the S/T in an instant over the R.
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08-22-2023, 08:02 PM
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08-23-2023, 02:08 AM
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08-23-2023, 04:33 PM
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I have a 991 R, also a 997 RS 4.0 and some other toys … like an old S/T and I’ll order a S/T if I can.
Why ?
because, this is a the type of car I love ! with NA high rev engine, analog car (more than the R I suppose) and some other advantages and this is the end of that breed !
Why ?
because, this is a the type of car I love ! with NA high rev engine, analog car (more than the R I suppose) and some other advantages and this is the end of that breed !
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08-23-2023, 07:30 PM
#43
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Amazing the amount of ST threads in RL with the majority cropping on it yet as of now commanding a $250ADM. I would say RL then is in the minority.
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08-31-2023, 04:23 AM
#44
That is a really silly and arbitrary place to draw the line. The 991.2 and 992 GT3's (I've owned each for years) are nearly identical in size:
Porsche 911 Coupe (991.2 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 96.73 inches / 245.7 cm
Length : 179.61 inches / 456.2 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.04 inches / 127.1 cm
Front Axle : 61.06 inches / 155.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.22 inches / 155.5 cm
Porsche 911 Coupe (992 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 97.24 inches / 247.0 cm
Length : 180.04 inches / 457.3 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.35 inches / 127.9 cm
Front Axle : 63.03 inches / 160.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.14 inches / 155.3 cm
The only significant difference between the two is the front axle track being wider on the 992, which together with the double-wishbone suspension design makes for such a huge improvement that any marginal gain in "size" is totally overwhelmed in its importance. The overall widths are identical between the generations.
My other 911 is a 1973 and that car makes a 991 feel like a whale. I could understand someone drawing a line between the aircooled cars and watercooled cars (or between 997 and 991), but between 991 and 992 is really a stretch (I don’t notice any difference). I won't ever own either, but I'd take the S/T in an instant over the R.
Porsche 911 Coupe (991.2 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 96.73 inches / 245.7 cm
Length : 179.61 inches / 456.2 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.04 inches / 127.1 cm
Front Axle : 61.06 inches / 155.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.22 inches / 155.5 cm
Porsche 911 Coupe (992 Series) GT3 Size, Dimensions, Aerodynamics and Weight
Wheelbase : 97.24 inches / 247.0 cm
Length : 180.04 inches / 457.3 cm
Width : 72.91 inches / 185.2 cm
Height : 50.35 inches / 127.9 cm
Front Axle : 63.03 inches / 160.1 cm
Rear Axle : 61.14 inches / 155.3 cm
The only significant difference between the two is the front axle track being wider on the 992, which together with the double-wishbone suspension design makes for such a huge improvement that any marginal gain in "size" is totally overwhelmed in its importance. The overall widths are identical between the generations.
My other 911 is a 1973 and that car makes a 991 feel like a whale. I could understand someone drawing a line between the aircooled cars and watercooled cars (or between 997 and 991), but between 991 and 992 is really a stretch (I don’t notice any difference). I won't ever own either, but I'd take the S/T in an instant over the R.
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