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Old 06-10-2022, 10:38 PM
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Default Trading 992 c2s for 991.1 gt3

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I am currently in position to trade 992s pdk rear wheel steer for a 991.1 gt3
I have so far done one track day and bit of daily on 992 and found it to be a extremely capable car. Fast on track and really comfortable in city. Looks good as well.
only reason I am considering such trade is sometimes I find the 992 too capable and too comfortable for my preference. This car is mostly a toy for me so I don’t need it to be super comfortable.
would like to know fellow members opinion on this !

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06-22-2022, 03:23 PM
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Looks good for a base model but, you'll be adding ppf, ceramic wrap, roll bar, track seats, Harnesses, Jiro Disks and Track pads, DSC Controller, 19" track wheels, track exhaust and get the camber set up for tracking, plus you'll need the center lock torque wrench, jack etc.. Before you know it, that white will look plain and you'll want to add a wrap, plus PPF on top of the wrap. And don't forget you'll need to upgrade your racing attire to fire proof race suit, race shoes, gloves, helmet, and then there's the track timer. You'll start off with harry's but before you know it you'll be into the Solo, or VBox, plus want video of all of your track runs. Then, you'll need coaching because you can't seem to get past 24 and the track record is 19, so load on the coaches, plus replacing tires every track weekend will start adding up so you'll switch to scrubs, and then need another set of 19" track wheels since you've already spent so much money you might as well make sure you can last the weekend. Then, if you're lucky, your engine will blow and Porsche will grant you a brand new G series which will make it all seem worthwhile. Finally, you'll get tired of your local track and want to track it at Sebring or Road America or the Glen, so you'll pick up a trailer. First, you'll get an open trailer but before long you'll realize showing off a six figure car in the parking lot of a hilton may not be the smartest thing you've ever done so you'll trade that puppy in for an enclosed one, with a winch. But you'll need to add better tires because they don't come with good ones. You'll need a 3/4 ton minimum diesel pickup to haul this beast to your favorite track, and several credit cards to get the truck filled up on the way. Then, someone will write something about the new version out with some type of fancy suspension that you can't live without, so you'll uncouple all of the things you've done to the car, trade it in for a loss, buy your new toy and do it all over again. Isn't life grand! Don't forget to buy track insurance from OpenTrack @ $7k a year.
Old 06-10-2022, 11:55 PM
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Funny, I’m of a similar mindset.

I love my 992, but I can’t help but want to explore more, perhaps a car with a more intense visceral experience.
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Originally Posted by Tupper
Funny, I’m of a similar mindset.

I love my 992, but I can’t help but want to explore more, perhaps a car with a more intense visceral experience.
yes
especially since I don’t need to drive it if I don’t want to
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Old 06-11-2022, 12:29 AM
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I wouldn’t do it. I have a 992 c2S and had a 991.2 gt3 and I felt that the 992 was the same if not better in terms of power and handling /steering
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With all due respect to the amazing 991.1 gt3, there is an elephant in the room regarding engine reliability after 10 year warranty especially if engine is an early generation.

maybe add another car, an older Cayman or Boxster or 911 will help you appreciate what you have in the 992s
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I had a 992 base as a loaner car. It seemed as fast as my 991.1 GT3. Took it up the mountain and it was capable as well. The sound and feeling of that 3.0 turbo just didn’t do it for me.

I don’t enjoy my f80 M3 nearly as much as the e92 for the exact same reasons.
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Originally Posted by Mthrice
I had a 992 base as a loaner car. It seemed as fast as my 991.1 GT3. Took it up the mountain and it was capable as well. The sound and feeling of that 3.0 turbo just didn’t do it for me.

I don’t enjoy my f80 M3 nearly as much as the e92 for the exact same reasons.
I also used to own a manual f80 and while it was a great car it wasn’t as thrilling or desirable as the older s54 m cars I used to have.
the 992 is extremely quick car
put on some slicks it would easily keep up with any pre 992 gt3 on track
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Originally Posted by M156
the 992 is extremely quick car
put on some slicks it would easily keep up with any pre 992 gt3 on track
Not so sure about that.
992 c2s N ring time: 7:25
991.2 GT3 N ring time: 7:12

Track times asisde, if you want something more visceral and analogue and tail happy, then why not? Wouldn’t be difficult to get back into a 992 if you change your mind.

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Two different cars, with different purposes. If "track focused" is a priority, then the GT3 is my preference. If a fast well tuned 911 is desirable, then the 992. Personally, there is nothing to reproduce the visceral experience of an engine that wails at 9k. The GT3 engine part of purchase due diligence, what model engine, misfire history codes thrown, if any, when does the warranty expire? If the OP plans to track regularly, then it would be prudent in my view to consider the engine a consumable.
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Well, my biggest issue is owning a GT3 out of warranty.

Of course, having tuned my 992 I guess that’s sort of a moot point.

I am really not trying to explore more speed. I think Teslas have taught us that speed no longer needs to be special. Thanks for ruining that, Tesla

So while I want a car that’s fast, being insanely fast isn’t the benchmark any more. Looks, style, handling, and SOUND are key for me, and I know I’m not alone
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Old 06-11-2022, 10:53 AM
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If you are bored with the 992 unlikely a PDK GT3 will cure that. All these cars are too fast for the street and the GT3 PDK is most entertaining on track rather than street. Manual Touring might be a consideration as more involving for street.
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Originally Posted by TheDangerZone
Not so sure about that.
992 c2s N ring time: 7:25
991.2 GT3 N ring time: 7:12

Track times asisde, if you want something more visceral and analogue and tail happy, then why not? Wouldn’t be difficult to get back into a 992 if you change your mind.
991.1 gt3 lap time is 725
and that’s on OE Dunlop or cup 2
Putting cup 2 on 992 might mean it will be even quicker than 991.1 given lap time was done on OE Pzero level tires
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Originally Posted by 991carreradriver
Two different cars, with different purposes. If "track focused" is a priority, then the GT3 is my preference. If a fast well tuned 911 is desirable, then the 992. Personally, there is nothing to reproduce the visceral experience of an engine that wails at 9k. The GT3 engine part of purchase due diligence, what model engine, misfire history codes thrown, if any, when does the warranty expire? If the OP plans to track regularly, then it would be prudent in my view to consider the engine a consumable.
engine warranty runs until last day of 2014
porsche sold cpo vehicle
I would have to look into engine history more
but I figured I have two summer to track it hard to take advantage of the engine warranty.
This car is also likely a one year midway house to either a manual gts or gt3 allocation
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Originally Posted by catdog2
With all due respect to the amazing 991.1 gt3, there is an elephant in the room regarding engine reliability after 10 year warranty especially if engine is an early generation.

maybe add another car, an older Cayman or Boxster or 911 will help you appreciate what you have in the 992s
This.

OP - I had a 997.2 C2S PDK. Felt like I should be using it as a daily driver, not a weekend car. It was very easy to drive, most of this I would say was due to the PDK even though I drove it in manual mode 99% of the time. Sold it after a year and got into a 997 GT3. If you want something that is more exciting on the street, I would say to get a slower car that is more analog. 991.2 GT3 is a good car with an amazing engine and gearbox, but it is approaching too fast for the street in most scenarios. 991.1 GT3 is great, but my personal concern is the engine out of warranty and also PDK only which makes it an amazing track car, but it may be a bit easier than you'd like on the street. If you want analog, I'd look at a 997 GT3 (biased) or 996 GT3. Or you can go for an older air-cooled car since this is a weekend only car. Spend some money to get it sorted and you'll be set for many miles ahead. Keep in mind though, the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 are I think the best sounding GT3's ever made. Better than a 996, 997 or 992 GT3.

Hopefully everyone reading this understands that this is nothing against a particular model, but Porsche makes many different amazing cars depending on what someone is looking for. There truly is no bad Porsche.
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Originally Posted by kaylie
I wouldn’t do it. I have a 992 c2S and had a 991.2 gt3 and I felt that the 992 was the same if not better in terms of power and handling /steering
I have driven both extensively on track a 991.2 GT3 handles much better than a 992s especially it is also much more planted at speed and has more grip. Power wise the 992 has much more low end torque but as long as you keep the GT3 in the upper rev range it is similar. The sound however is no competition. I would say performance wise the 992s is similar to a 991.2 GTS than a 981.2 GT3. In the long run a GT3 will hold it’s value more than any s model.


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