911 Turbo Do not hold their Value!
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Turbos are less desirable and the market reflects that. It is what it is, and has been that way for some time. GT cars just have a more visceral feel/ special feeling.
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I guess that just means Porsche makes more because they know there's More Real Men out there that aren't afraid of the Raw power the Turbo's make compared to the GT cars. LOL
Less real men to sell them too, so the price stays up!!!
LOLOLOL
J/K folks...Had to take a dig at you GT Elitist lol.
Less real men to sell them too, so the price stays up!!!
LOLOLOL
J/K folks...Had to take a dig at you GT Elitist lol.
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catdog2 (01-31-2021)
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The GT3 and Turbo are not the same market segment....the Turbo S is over 30% more expensive than the GT3, has back seats, and produced in higher numbers....yet people continue to compare their markets
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You can find 911 Turbos much cheaper than GT3's.. Why is that?? No manual option, I get that.. Any other reason though? even auto gt3's sell for close to retail.
You can find 911 Turbos much cheaper than GT3's.. Why is that?? No manual option, I get that.. Any other reason though? even auto gt3's sell for close to retail.
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Simply supply and demand.
It even exists inside the GT market itself. Look at the price discrepancy between a white .1GT3 and an Arena Red .1GT3 w/ similar specs.
There are simply a butt ton of white and like 3 Arena Red, so you pay a premium for the red.
Plus daily driven Turbo’s get a ton of miles on them. How many GT cars have 40k miles on the clock? I’ll wait.......
Like a hand full.
I can pull up many Turbo’s for sale currently with that mileage.
It even exists inside the GT market itself. Look at the price discrepancy between a white .1GT3 and an Arena Red .1GT3 w/ similar specs.
There are simply a butt ton of white and like 3 Arena Red, so you pay a premium for the red.
Plus daily driven Turbo’s get a ton of miles on them. How many GT cars have 40k miles on the clock? I’ll wait.......
Like a hand full.
I can pull up many Turbo’s for sale currently with that mileage.
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When I bought my 930 Turbo in 1979, billed by Porsche as the "first and last year of the Turbo in the U.S." many were
sold with a $100K ADM added to its $44K price. The only semi-sensible way to get mine at MSRP was to buy another
standard 911 (which delighted my 2 sons that I gave the keys) Rumors were half of the 930's went in backwards.
Despite its quality of having either too little HP or, (when Boost came in) too much HP, I dearly loved that car and the
highly enjoyable lessons it gave me in controlling sudden boost in Track Driving and dicing with another 930 as the
Big Apple PCA Region Track Chjairman at Lime Rock as Instructors.. Porsche returned to the U.S. with their 930
5 Years later but by that time the Suspension Geometry was totally changed. My 1987 930 was a highly docile
understeering car. The Snap oversteer on boost of the 79 Turbo was totally gone. Having owned and tracked Turbos
and GT3's ever since, anyone who believes that later Turbos cannot match the laptimes of GT3's are wrong.
sold with a $100K ADM added to its $44K price. The only semi-sensible way to get mine at MSRP was to buy another
standard 911 (which delighted my 2 sons that I gave the keys) Rumors were half of the 930's went in backwards.
Despite its quality of having either too little HP or, (when Boost came in) too much HP, I dearly loved that car and the
highly enjoyable lessons it gave me in controlling sudden boost in Track Driving and dicing with another 930 as the
Big Apple PCA Region Track Chjairman at Lime Rock as Instructors.. Porsche returned to the U.S. with their 930
5 Years later but by that time the Suspension Geometry was totally changed. My 1987 930 was a highly docile
understeering car. The Snap oversteer on boost of the 79 Turbo was totally gone. Having owned and tracked Turbos
and GT3's ever since, anyone who believes that later Turbos cannot match the laptimes of GT3's are wrong.
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The 991 turbo has an appeal of its own, it may be less 'emotional' that GT3 but has a charm of it own, excellent daily driver, great traction
in any weather, amazing torque and no fuss power delivery and comfortable and quiet. Lovely car
in any weather, amazing torque and no fuss power delivery and comfortable and quiet. Lovely car
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catdog2 (02-01-2021)
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Exactly, well said, 991TT very nicely insulated and quieter than regular Carrera line. It's my new daily driver (991.1TT) and it's simply amazing in that role, comfortable, sporty, amazing traction/performance/handling and I actually like the quieter engine with its gobs of torque and low bass anger when on it. Completely different feel from 991.2 C2S engine wise (even though both are turbo obviously) and it's not in the same space as GT3/GT3RS on any level other than maybe similar performance in certain tracks etc. It's certainly a much better more multi-dimensional daily; I have snow tires on it right now and looking forward to the incoming 12 inches of snow.. Could not say that with a GT3/RS even if on same tires, RS doesn't even have back window defroster lol...and hey, it's nice to have a sunroof every now and then
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chance6 (02-02-2021)
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I guess that just means Porsche makes more because they know there's More Real Men out there that aren't afraid of the Raw power the Turbo's make compared to the GT cars. LOL
Less real men to sell them too, so the price stays up!!!
LOLOLOL
J/K folks...Had to take a dig at you GT Elitist lol.
Less real men to sell them too, so the price stays up!!!
LOLOLOL
J/K folks...Had to take a dig at you GT Elitist lol.
Once the 991 generation was announced, I basically had no desire of buying a 991 because of the direction the company as a whole was going. Every car was a 'turbo', and the TT lost the MT. The only car that had perked my interest was the GTS. With a MT, probably rivalled (surpassed) the 996/997 TT's in many facets except for the badging.
The 991.1 GT3 was interesting, much more drivable than prior generations, but once they dropped the MT in the .2, it was the car I 'needed' to have. The TT is probably the car I should have gotten, as it is probably 'better' than the GT3 in almost every facet for the enthusiast like myself. The problem was that I no longer 'longed' for a TTS like I did years past. I think that is probably a reflection of a decent population of GT3 owners as well. It probably also reflects why the 'touring' is so popular, as it probably can be viewed as the 'real' heir to the 997 Carrera.
It seems that the popularity of the 997 Carrera has also spike over the last couple of years, probably for the same reasons (naturally aspirated, manual transmission, more driver engagement because of less amenities, 'louder' etc).
I think the 'elitism' is more about us wanting to relive the past but in a 'modern' shell. Though so tempting to replace my 997 with a newer TT cab, I don't think I will. If Porsche wants me to buy a TT, they will need to drop a 6 speed MT in one. My wife would kill me of course, but that would be some automotive nirvana having a TT and GT in the same garage.