Time to buy a R?
05-23-2020, 11:26 PM
#31
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If you can afford it, go for the R. Now's a good time to get into these cars at non-speculator price. Don't pay up for a garage queen, pay for condition.
And to those with an R and not driving them, consider this: "mileage" is an afterthought for the real dudes buying/selling 2.7RS or any of the air-cooled high-watermarks today. Use them, upkeep them, that's a far healthier dynamic than treating them as statues. Better for your body and mind, zero difference to your bank account.
And to those with an R and not driving them, consider this: "mileage" is an afterthought for the real dudes buying/selling 2.7RS or any of the air-cooled high-watermarks today. Use them, upkeep them, that's a far healthier dynamic than treating them as statues. Better for your body and mind, zero difference to your bank account.
05-24-2020, 02:08 AM
#32
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R VS Touring always seems to pop up...to which I tend to tell people to look back to the air-cooled cars and the RS variants...is a 3.8 993 RS worth 200k over a normal 993 with some motor and suspension work? To those who think it is and enjoy it's aura, it is...to those who think it's not and you can have a pretty similar experience in a normal 993...well, it's not. Different strokes for different folks always applies. I've got 2k miles on my R, and its the ONLY modern special 911 I really have that extra heartbeat for...and I love the back and forth about the car, that's part of the fun...granted it's often the same people doing it in almost every thread created about it on the detractor side.
OP...if you're thinking R, go for it. It's really an experience, the whole IS more than the sum of its parts...and not ONE individual has made their touring or GT3 come close to the feel, even as many constantly claim it's that easy to just have their porsche dealer casually change the parameters of their car's programming without having the last name Piech. Maybe it's because it's not worth it...but if you want the R experience...you need to just go for it and enjoy ever second in the car!
OP...if you're thinking R, go for it. It's really an experience, the whole IS more than the sum of its parts...and not ONE individual has made their touring or GT3 come close to the feel, even as many constantly claim it's that easy to just have their porsche dealer casually change the parameters of their car's programming without having the last name Piech. Maybe it's because it's not worth it...but if you want the R experience...you need to just go for it and enjoy ever second in the car!
05-24-2020, 10:17 AM
#34
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It is amazing, IMHO, a new Speedster (BTW - over 30 for sale on Autotrader) is now the same price as most R's.
What? Speedster or R? I know my decision.
What? Speedster or R? I know my decision.
05-24-2020, 03:41 PM
#35
R VS Touring always seems to pop up...to which I tend to tell people to look back to the air-cooled cars and the RS variants...is a 3.8 993 RS worth 200k over a normal 993 with some motor and suspension work? To those who think it is and enjoy it's aura, it is...to those who think it's not and you can have a pretty similar experience in a normal 993...well, it's not. Different strokes for different folks always applies. I've got 2k miles on my R, and its the ONLY modern special 911 I really have that extra heartbeat for...and I love the back and forth about the car, that's part of the fun...granted it's often the same people doing it in almost every thread created about it on the detractor side.
OP...if you're thinking R, go for it. It's really an experience, the whole IS more than the sum of its parts...and not ONE individual has made their touring or GT3 come close to the feel, even as many constantly claim it's that easy to just have their porsche dealer casually change the parameters of their car's programming without having the last name Piech. Maybe it's because it's not worth it...but if you want the R experience...you need to just go for it and enjoy ever second in the car!
OP...if you're thinking R, go for it. It's really an experience, the whole IS more than the sum of its parts...and not ONE individual has made their touring or GT3 come close to the feel, even as many constantly claim it's that easy to just have their porsche dealer casually change the parameters of their car's programming without having the last name Piech. Maybe it's because it's not worth it...but if you want the R experience...you need to just go for it and enjoy ever second in the car!
05-24-2020, 07:57 PM
#36
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05-25-2020, 12:06 AM
#38
The R is a classic case of "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts"
I don't own either, but I've driven both the R and GT3T (neither for 1000 miles, but each for no less than 100, or maybe 150), and characteristics of the cars are different.
Is one better than the other? Really depends on your definition fo "better".
But regardless of how you define better, you cannot simply judge either car based on the type of engines (or, i.e., the GT3T is better), or the lightweight construction of the cars (i.e., the R is better),
It's really about the ethos of the two cars.
Just pick one. No wrong answers either way.
I know which I'd pick, but that's largely irrelevant (or at least it should be) to anyone picking between the two cars for themselves.
I don't own either, but I've driven both the R and GT3T (neither for 1000 miles, but each for no less than 100, or maybe 150), and characteristics of the cars are different.
Is one better than the other? Really depends on your definition fo "better".
But regardless of how you define better, you cannot simply judge either car based on the type of engines (or, i.e., the GT3T is better), or the lightweight construction of the cars (i.e., the R is better),
It's really about the ethos of the two cars.
Just pick one. No wrong answers either way.
I know which I'd pick, but that's largely irrelevant (or at least it should be) to anyone picking between the two cars for themselves.
Last edited by groundhog; 05-25-2020 at 07:15 AM.
05-25-2020, 03:14 PM
#39
R VS Touring always seems to pop up...to which I tend to tell people to look back to the air-cooled cars and the RS variants...is a 3.8 993 RS worth 200k over a normal 993 with some motor and suspension work? To those who think it is and enjoy it's aura, it is...to those who think it's not and you can have a pretty similar experience in a normal 993...well, it's not. Different strokes for different folks always applies. I've got 2k miles on my R, and its the ONLY modern special 911 I really have that extra heartbeat for...and I love the back and forth about the car, that's part of the fun...granted it's often the same people doing it in almost every thread created about it on the detractor side.
1) The best engine
2) No sunroof
3) Cool interior touches
4) Racier suspension
5) Connection to the CUP
Without breaking down the obvious, the Touring is much closer in ethos to a 993 RS than the R is. No "1 of XXX" on the RS either.
05-25-2020, 08:40 PM
#40
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Go for it. That engine revs as if there's no inertia. The car not powerful by modern standards nor light compared to old air-cooleds, but that combination... it just feels superbly dialed in.
Get the best condition you can find. Cars in this bracket have gotten cheaper over the past year, there are one or two examples that I wish I had picked up!
Get the best condition you can find. Cars in this bracket have gotten cheaper over the past year, there are one or two examples that I wish I had picked up!
As a 993 owner, the reason I'd want to get the 993 RS is for
1) The best engine
2) No sunroof
3) Cool interior touches
4) Racier suspension
5) Connection to the CUP
Without breaking down the obvious, the Touring is much closer in ethos to a 993 RS than the R is. No "1 of XXX" on the RS either.
1) The best engine
2) No sunroof
3) Cool interior touches
4) Racier suspension
5) Connection to the CUP
Without breaking down the obvious, the Touring is much closer in ethos to a 993 RS than the R is. No "1 of XXX" on the RS either.
05-25-2020, 09:11 PM
#41
Agreed on the 993 RS.
Even with a 911R in the garage, and having driven a Touring, the 993 RS feels closest to a go-kart to me. I think a lot has to do with the size. Plus all the reasons cited above.
Even with a 911R in the garage, and having driven a Touring, the 993 RS feels closest to a go-kart to me. I think a lot has to do with the size. Plus all the reasons cited above.
05-25-2020, 09:13 PM
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05-28-2020, 01:57 PM
#44
05-29-2020, 02:14 PM
#45
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what are you smoking? An R isn’t 100Kg lighter than a Touring! The R comes with CF hood/front fenders and a mag roof. That doesn’t actually cut that much weight.
Only loses about 30 Kg, otherwise if you spec a GT3 Touring with the same LWB, PCCB, and radio delete, you’ll get a car that’s marginally heavier than the R, but with a superior engine that more than compensates for the slight extra weight.
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