911R values
04-22-2020, 02:21 PM
#46
Drifting
My suggestion, skip this car and wait for one with SMFW and front lift.
If you are planning on driving this car a lot, having the front lift will help you out tremendously. I would stay away from any 911R without SMFW. Unfortunately, a lot of the original 911R owners skipped the SMFW because they didn't have the patience to wait for their cars. The take rate on the 911R with SMFW was 62%, which means there are 38% of the 991 cars out there without the SMFW. This was a big mistake on their part, just like buying the 918 Spyder without the Weissach package
If you are planning on driving this car a lot, having the front lift will help you out tremendously. I would stay away from any 911R without SMFW. Unfortunately, a lot of the original 911R owners skipped the SMFW because they didn't have the patience to wait for their cars. The take rate on the 911R with SMFW was 62%, which means there are 38% of the 991 cars out there without the SMFW. This was a big mistake on their part, just like buying the 918 Spyder without the Weissach package
Hello!
I am the happy owner of several sports cars (not only Porsche), and 3-4 months ago I took delivery of my wonderful pts forest green gt3rs 991.2.
I want to purchase a 911r for everyday commuting., and because I love everything about it.
Now, I have been offered one with 3500km, no fron lift, and no single mass fly wheel.
I drive through traffic everyday, which means that it is probably better for me to have a dual mass fly wheel as it is less noisy. Reason why my dealer suggests do just buy a 991 touring and save money but hey, I love the looks of the R since the first day it came out, and I already have a 991.2 Gt3rs.
Coming to the price. I have been asked 250.000 euros for the car. Initially I was like ok this is a good deal but having read quite a lot around, I understand that it really does make a lot of difference in terms of buying price of the car wether it has the single mass fly wheel or not. I want to specify once again, that I am not buying the car for any sort of long term speculation, as I intend on driving it everyday, but of course I wouldn't mind buying at a price for which I manage to put many miles on the car and not loose 50k the day after. Sorry for mentioning numbers so often, I know it's not fancy but it is what it is and I need advise
What do you think would be a fair price for this vehicle in order to be able to put many miles on it and one day not necessarily loose a bunch on it?
Thanks,
Marco
I am the happy owner of several sports cars (not only Porsche), and 3-4 months ago I took delivery of my wonderful pts forest green gt3rs 991.2.
I want to purchase a 911r for everyday commuting., and because I love everything about it.
Now, I have been offered one with 3500km, no fron lift, and no single mass fly wheel.
I drive through traffic everyday, which means that it is probably better for me to have a dual mass fly wheel as it is less noisy. Reason why my dealer suggests do just buy a 991 touring and save money but hey, I love the looks of the R since the first day it came out, and I already have a 991.2 Gt3rs.
Coming to the price. I have been asked 250.000 euros for the car. Initially I was like ok this is a good deal but having read quite a lot around, I understand that it really does make a lot of difference in terms of buying price of the car wether it has the single mass fly wheel or not. I want to specify once again, that I am not buying the car for any sort of long term speculation, as I intend on driving it everyday, but of course I wouldn't mind buying at a price for which I manage to put many miles on the car and not loose 50k the day after. Sorry for mentioning numbers so often, I know it's not fancy but it is what it is and I need advise
What do you think would be a fair price for this vehicle in order to be able to put many miles on it and one day not necessarily loose a bunch on it?
Thanks,
Marco
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Garydose (04-25-2020)
04-22-2020, 02:54 PM
#48
Rennlist Member
You can add for under $10k, I believe. Although, I've never known it to be done. In my experience, I think the SMFW provides a more direct throttle response. Clear difference in feel between GT3/Speedster and 911R throttle response. 911R is more direct and immediate. I'm no mechanic, so I can't tell you if the SMFW is the culprit or not. I can just tell you that there's a notable difference in feel between cars.
04-22-2020, 02:57 PM
#49
Drifting
It's not just the sound. When you drive fast, you tend to shift gears no? You go up a gear and you go down a gear. SMFW makes the car spool up faster, revs quicker. After you tried a car with SMFW, driving the same car with a DMFW is like having sex with the condom on. 
Sure, it does save weight and make the car feel a little bit more agile, and it does make a different sound when at very low speeds but I would be curious to know if the sound is much different when you are pushing the car (compared to a double mass). Regardless, apparently the single mass does make a lot of difference on the price of the car. At least this is what I am experiencing during my research
04-22-2020, 06:13 PM
#50
Got it...I guess i'll just buy a touring 
Pisses me off because this car I was negotiating , owned by a collector friend of mine that really takes care of his vehicles, wseemed like a good deal for me if I could bring down the price further (220-230), but apparently the smfw is of major importance...I don't want to be stuck with a car that's impossible to sell after I put many miles on it
Thanks for your help
Pisses me off because this car I was negotiating , owned by a collector friend of mine that really takes care of his vehicles, wseemed like a good deal for me if I could bring down the price further (220-230), but apparently the smfw is of major importance...I don't want to be stuck with a car that's impossible to sell after I put many miles on it
Thanks for your help
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wru (04-22-2020)
04-22-2020, 06:46 PM
#51
Rennlist Member
Got it...I guess i'll just buy a touring
Pisses me off because this car I was negotiating , owned by a collector friend of mine that really takes care of his vehicles, wseemed like a good deal for me if I could bring down the price further (220-230), but apparently the smfw is of major importance...I don't want to be stuck with a car that's impossible to sell after I put many miles on it
Thanks for your help
Pisses me off because this car I was negotiating , owned by a collector friend of mine that really takes care of his vehicles, wseemed like a good deal for me if I could bring down the price further (220-230), but apparently the smfw is of major importance...I don't want to be stuck with a car that's impossible to sell after I put many miles on it
Thanks for your help
I buy to hold. Once it hits my garage the “residual” value is $0.
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Mattatares (08-01-2021)
04-22-2020, 07:07 PM
#52
The car will most certainly not be impossible to sell, you’ll just have to be realistic on value. If you are passing because of residual concerns, you’ll take a bigger financial hit on a touring than you will an R. Will the R continue to go down in price? Probably, but it I don’t think it will ever be a $150k car.
I buy to hold. Once it hits my garage the “residual” value is $0.
I buy to hold. Once it hits my garage the “residual” value is $0.
I never bought cars thinking about how much I will loose once I sell them, only because as of today I was lucky enough to buy retail all my cars.
I'm probably the only person who has put 35.000km on my 458 speciale aperta, and other limited cars I have. The sp1 Monza for example, I will drive whenever I feel like it whilst most of them won't even reach 20km.
I completely agree with you,but I am not paying 300k, or 275 for a 911r, because I do not believe it is worth so much money.
See, I love the R. I always loved it since the moment it came out and I always felt it would stay iconic. But I've never been about hype and premiums.
The R I have been offered has a stunning spec and low mileage, but no smfw and lift. Honestly don't know what to do because as you said, a touring is great but it grows older quickly compared to an R and will never be iconic or have the style and class of a 911r!!!!!!!
04-22-2020, 07:36 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
1) I'm probably the only person who has put 35.000km on my 458 speciale aperta, and other limited cars I have. The sp1 Monza for example, I will drive whenever I feel like it whilst most of them won't even reach 20km.
2) I completely agree with you,but I am not paying 300k, or 275 for a 911r, because I do not believe it is worth so much money.
3)See, I love the R. I always loved it since the moment it came out and I always felt it would stay iconic. But I've never been about hype and premiums.
2) I completely agree with you,but I am not paying 300k, or 275 for a 911r, because I do not believe it is worth so much money.
3)See, I love the R. I always loved it since the moment it came out and I always felt it would stay iconic. But I've never been about hype and premiums.
04-23-2020, 04:52 AM
#54
Buy it and when you want to sell it in the future contact me !
I dont mind high mileage cars (my E46 csl has 150000 km)
I will be looking to convert an R to pdk some day so SMFW of no concern to me ;-)
I dont mind high mileage cars (my E46 csl has 150000 km)
I will be looking to convert an R to pdk some day so SMFW of no concern to me ;-)
04-23-2020, 06:17 AM
#56
Done
I'll think about it a little longer, maybe try and offer him list price or something like 10k on top. Lets see, i'll keep you posted
I've driven quite a few cars but never an R, do you think the drive is really worth it even without the smfw?
04-23-2020, 07:42 AM
#57
Race Car
I'm a fan of the R (but also the .2GT3T). Personally I wouldn't consider an R w/o the SMFW. I think it's one of the things that makes the R distinct. And a SMFW changes the driving experience for sure.
04-23-2020, 07:55 AM
#59
Yes you can, but I wouldn't buy a car that has done such change after 3-4000km, and without porsche warranty..you never know
Thing is, market spread difference between a smfw car and a dmfw car goes from 50-100k, that's f+++++ ridiculous for me!!!!
Thing is, market spread difference between a smfw car and a dmfw car goes from 50-100k, that's f+++++ ridiculous for me!!!!
04-23-2020, 09:11 AM
#60
Race Director
Buy a Touring!!!
Better engine and quite cheaper.
Just read what everyone is writing - w/o the SMWF most would not buy the car so that says it all. I find this all quite funny if that is what these "R" Owners are hanging their hats on. I will take the better engine all day long
There is a new thread from GMG about a .1 RS that had to have the engine replaced because of the same issues the .1 GT3 is suffering - and this same Engine is in the "R" w/o the extended Warranty
Well I will quote the man himself as this is a known issue for GT3's and GT3RS's from 2014-2016:
Dr. Walliser told the group that the high-RPM misfire issue could be traced to a metallurgical defect in certain batches of "finger followers," a pivoting rocker arm in the valvetrain. Depending on driving style, finger followers with these defects are prone to increased wear, which, combined with many other factors, can lead to the high-rpm misfires experienced by certain owners.
Better engine and quite cheaper.
Just read what everyone is writing - w/o the SMWF most would not buy the car so that says it all. I find this all quite funny if that is what these "R" Owners are hanging their hats on. I will take the better engine all day long
There is a new thread from GMG about a .1 RS that had to have the engine replaced because of the same issues the .1 GT3 is suffering - and this same Engine is in the "R" w/o the extended Warranty
Well I will quote the man himself as this is a known issue for GT3's and GT3RS's from 2014-2016:
Dr. Walliser told the group that the high-RPM misfire issue could be traced to a metallurgical defect in certain batches of "finger followers," a pivoting rocker arm in the valvetrain. Depending on driving style, finger followers with these defects are prone to increased wear, which, combined with many other factors, can lead to the high-rpm misfires experienced by certain owners.
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