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Took the T to visit the company's warehouse yesterday. About 90 minutes one way and hit a little traffic both ways. Car is so comfortable and yet quick enough for the street (have a tune on the car). Was wondering if the RS or the Touring would do better on a commute like yesterday after I got home. Answer is NO. The T is indeed the Goldilocks car in the 911.2 range. The RS is unbeatable in that 5% of the time I drive, Touring is good for 20% of the time, the T most of the time... Love the car.
Let's cut the sh-t here boys.... you want 911....you want collectible.....here you go..vvvv;;;;
..otherwise buying a "new" car and waiting it out, knowing the attrition rate is practically zero, is nonsense...
The T will suffer in future desirability because of the turbos. The good ones in the future will be the 991.1 GTS (last of the great base 911 models that wasn’t turbo charged) and the GT3 and GT3RS (and of course the super rare models like the R and GT2RS). The rev happy naturally aspirated engine makes a big difference in how enjoyable these cars are, and once they’ve lost their new car shine, the people will want the singy rev happy ones. My 2 cents.
Not what I meant - numbered/limited production rather than just low number of units produced. Two different things.
Definitely two different things. 'Numbered' limited production cars are marketing exercises; generally 'collected' by amateurs, so most stay bubble wrapped and/or low mileage and over time not really that rare or collectible. Low number of units produced are typically overlooked when new, go through normal depreciation cycles, are scrapped/modified when values are low, and then nice ones become extremely rare...and values go up.
Hard to say with cars. If you want the highest return on these cars drive the crap out of them to where they eventually plateau in value (Largest ROI in fun factor). And if you picked a winner and it becomes collectible down the road then that's even a bigger bonus. I used to speculate when it came to collecting watches and I happened to always buy high and sell low. All the watches I sold back then RM, AP, PP, FPJ and Rolex are now worth double or sometimes triple what I sold them for to chase the next big thing that was supposed to be collectible. So at the end I stopped giving a crap and stop trying to predict the market and buy and enjoy what I have.
Let's cut the sh-t here boys.... you want 911....you want collectible.....here you go..vvvv;;;;
..otherwise buying a "new" car and waiting it out, knowing the attrition rate is practically zero, is nonsense...
The T will suffer in future desirability because of the turbos. The good ones in the future will be the 991.1 GTS (last of the great base 911 models that wasn’t turbo charged) and the GT3 and GT3RS (and of course the super rare models like the R and GT2RS). The rev happy naturally aspirated engine makes a big difference in how enjoyable these cars are, and once they’ve lost their new car shine, the people will want the singy rev happy ones. My 2 cents.
That may be, though of the 991 GT# cars, I would expect the GT3 Tourings to hold value the best. 4.0 NA engine, 6-speed manual gearbox (unlike the PDK and 7MT of the 991.1 GTS), and produced in significantly less quantity than even the GT2 RS. Between 991.1 and 991.2, there are lots of GT3s and GT3 RS’s. For me personally, I don’t care, as I buy my cars to drive them. But those are my thoughts.
The T will suffer in future desirability because of the turbos. The good ones in the future will be the 991.1 GTS (last of the great base 911 models that wasn’t turbo charged) and the GT3 and GT3RS (and of course the super rare models like the R and GT2RS). The rev happy naturally aspirated engine makes a big difference in how enjoyable these cars are, and once they’ve lost their new car shine, the people will want the singy rev happy ones. My 2 cents.
I agree. The 991.1 GTS has something that no future 911 Carreras will have - a 3.8 L, 430hp flat six naturally aspirated engine. I think all 991.1 Carreras will be sought after in the future for the same reason (although some will be more sought after than others - the GTS being the most powerful of the bunch). The T is turbocharged and with the exception of some T-specific modifications to save weight, is it really all that much different from, say, a 991.2 S or GTS? Also, chances are, the T will resurface with the 992. So, will the 991.2 T be all that special then?
That may be, though of the 991 GT# cars, I would expect the GT3 Tourings to hold value the best. 4.0 NA engine, 6-speed manual gearbox (unlike the PDK and 7MT of the 991.1 GTS), and produced in significantly less quantity than even the GT2 RS. Between 991.1 and 991.2, there are lots of GT3s and GT3 RS’s. For me personally, I don’t care, as I buy my cars to drive them. But those are my thoughts.
I don’t think future GT3 buyers are going to care about the touring any more than today’s GT3 buyers care about the touring. It’s just a GT3 with less aero. It’ll probably make as much difference as a spoiler/non-spoiler does to the value of the G-bodied Carreras—i.e., none. It’ll be a minor issue of aesthetic preference, like a choice in paint color.
I don’t think future GT3 buyers are going to care about the touring any more than today’s GT3 buyers care about the touring. It’s just a GT3 with less aero. It’ll probably make as much difference as a spoiler/non-spoiler does to the value of the G-bodied Carreras—i.e., none. It’ll be a minor issue of aesthetic preference, like a choice in paint color.
I disagree. I think the Touring attracts those who would love an R - which is perhaps a different buyer than the winged GT3 buyer. Want the NA 4.0 and 6spd but with less attention...
I disagree. I think the Touring attracts those who would love an R - which is perhaps a different buyer than the winged GT3 buyer. Want the NA 4.0 and 6spd but with less attention...
But the “attention” issue changes significantly when a car becomes a classic. You might want to be low pro in your new 911, but nobody drives a classic to be low pro. Classics cease to be low pro anyway by virtue of becoming classics.
The T will suffer in future desirability because of the turbos. The good ones in the future will be the 991.1 GTS (last of the great base 911 models that wasn’t turbo charged) and the GT3 and GT3RS (and of course the super rare models like the R and GT2RS). The rev happy naturally aspirated engine makes a big difference in how enjoyable these cars are, and once they’ve lost their new car shine, the people will want the singy rev happy ones. My 2 cents.
so Im still somewhat new to all of this, but I understand the purists desire the NA motor. I get that. Certainly a different sound.
Why is the 3.0 Turbo not as “rev happy” as the NA 997 or 991.1 3.8 engine?
It also revs to 7.5k rpm (same as the 3.8 NA motor)
sorry if its a stupid Q but want to better understand why the turbo is frowned upon by some and why its not “rev happy” as you state.
To me - its revs pretty well (I also own a 997 GTS so have a NA 3.8 with 408 HP to compare to) The T is actually faster compared to the NA higher HP 997 GTS.
also own a Naturally Aspirated Hemi engine - it’s cool, but the supercharged Hemi is on another level.
Why does turbo = negative for this crowd?
Is it just “fighting change” same as when porsche switched to water cooled? It sucks if its not air cooled but now we all love the new cars. Is this “it sucks because its not NA” and in 5 years we all love the turbo motors?
Because the naturally aspirated, ~9k redline, motorsports-derived motor is the GT3/GT3RS/911R's raison d'etre...it's party piece...and that's the forum we're in...
04-25-2019, 01:47 PM
