GT car / Salesman - Shiraaz Sookralli - Champion Porsche's VP of Marketing
09-30-2018, 09:37 PM
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09-30-2018, 09:39 PM
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Good job Roy. Should have followed this common sense logic at the beginning of this mess and it would never have turned into a crisis
https://carbuzz.com/news/america-s-b...o-scam-victims
09-30-2018, 09:41 PM
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Well it looks like the dealer is stepping up though. Nice to see.
09-30-2018, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Swole
Well it looks like the dealer is stepping up though. Nice to see.
What choice do they have? Finally came to their senses and will at least get some headlines like the above out of it to minimize the damage.
09-30-2018, 09:55 PM
#1733
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I find this a peculiar quote by Roy Diaz:
"Above all, Champion Motors wants "to make sure that these victims - that's what we're calling them - come out of this from a customer satisfaction perspective as satisfied as possible," Diaz added"
"That's what we're calling them" .... Kinda bizarre no??
I assume trying to push the liability off of Champion as much as possible and more onto Shiraaz? How about calling them what they are, defrauded customers??
But this keeps dark cloud is always hovering ...
"Above all, Champion Motors wants "to make sure that these victims - that's what we're calling them - come out of this from a customer satisfaction perspective as satisfied as possible," Diaz added"
"That's what we're calling them" .... Kinda bizarre no??
I assume trying to push the liability off of Champion as much as possible and more onto Shiraaz? How about calling them what they are, defrauded customers??
But this keeps dark cloud is always hovering ...
09-30-2018, 10:06 PM
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This is interesting too:
"And despite taking and stealing those deposits, Sookralli never actually placed orders for any of the vehicles."
Shiraaz was skimming ADM deposits to the Autosports acct for cars that were indeed delivered in the past. They seem to be trying and to frame this like he just took these latest deposits for cars he never ordered which doesn't tell the whole story.
So Shiraaz was some angel and somehow went rogue overnight on his own and caught everyone by surprise??
Might work well for an insurance claim, but anyone with half a brain will look into the whole history there.
Anyway, fun to look through all the carefully chosen words here and read between the lines
"And despite taking and stealing those deposits, Sookralli never actually placed orders for any of the vehicles."
Shiraaz was skimming ADM deposits to the Autosports acct for cars that were indeed delivered in the past. They seem to be trying and to frame this like he just took these latest deposits for cars he never ordered which doesn't tell the whole story.
So Shiraaz was some angel and somehow went rogue overnight on his own and caught everyone by surprise??
Might work well for an insurance claim, but anyone with half a brain will look into the whole history there.Anyway, fun to look through all the carefully chosen words here and read between the lines
09-30-2018, 10:09 PM
#1735
It strikes me that the $2.5m in deposits might not have been the main play. Perhaps the real play was bank account details - including names, addresses, account numbers, etc. - that often come through on wire transfers and may appear on faked dealer paperwork (yes, including signatures).
If I had made a wire to SS/Champion - and to be clear I have not - I would be closing that account and moving out all my business with that bank ASAP. Otherwise some clever social engineering with a lot of verifiable details could put all someone's accounts at that institution at risk.
In that case, SS (or the group he's working for) could siphon off many multiples of the $2.5M they have in hand today.
Just a thought...
If I had made a wire to SS/Champion - and to be clear I have not - I would be closing that account and moving out all my business with that bank ASAP. Otherwise some clever social engineering with a lot of verifiable details could put all someone's accounts at that institution at risk.
In that case, SS (or the group he's working for) could siphon off many multiples of the $2.5M they have in hand today.
Just a thought...
09-30-2018, 11:10 PM
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Just asking the question, is the term "scam victims" really accurate??
Wouldn't it be "defrauded customers"?? Shiraaz was employed by Champion and was working within his capacity. He was legitimately taking deposits and ADM's for cars like he had done many times before and just like other sales guys do. Is that really a "scam"?? He scammed Champion really if anything. Right??
Wouldn't it be "defrauded customers"?? Shiraaz was employed by Champion and was working within his capacity. He was legitimately taking deposits and ADM's for cars like he had done many times before and just like other sales guys do. Is that really a "scam"?? He scammed Champion really if anything. Right??
10-01-2018, 07:49 AM
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10-01-2018, 07:58 AM
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What about all those people who bought a GT car from him paying an ADM which went to him and Champion only got MSRP for the car...do those buyers deserve to get the ADM back from Champion since their employee scammed them out of an ADM? Also, I wonder if this little incident will make dealerships think twice about using brokers to sell their ADM GT allocations?