The future 911 range, including the GT3, will exclusively use turbocharged six-cylind
08-05-2018, 07:43 PM
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Merc, Mac and Ferrari turbos are V8’s. They’re naturally going to sound better than Porsche turbo 6’s.
Porsche’s turbo V8’s sound great.
Maybe Porsche needs to ditch the flat 6 if they want the turbo 911’s to compete sound-wise.
Porsche’s turbo V8’s sound great.
Maybe Porsche needs to ditch the flat 6 if they want the turbo 911’s to compete sound-wise.
08-05-2018, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrtaylor9
In my book, NA>turbo and most everyone's turbo>than Porsche's turbo when it comes to exhaust note. I know the new 2rs is loud but Porsche has been incapable of making a good sounding turbo note when you compare them to Merc or Ferrari. Some of the best NA's in the world on the other hand.
08-05-2018, 08:01 PM
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Im sure this has been discussed but this was the first official indication that I saw that there will be no more NA engines- especially for the GT3 models.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...19-porsche-911
I drove the Turbo and Turbo S and frankly do not like the vacuum. Ferrari has done a wonderful job with the 488 Turbo- lag is hardly noticeable. Mclaren Im not a fan of because you notice the Turbo so badly- not so much in the 720, but 650, 12C before that for sure. 570 yes, its there.
Considering my experience with Porsche is relatively new (past few years) and limited to ownership of the GT3 RS and now the GT3 Touring, where would you rank the Turbo engines of Porsche? The current Turbo I would lean more towards Mclaren. What about the 992 gen? Any insight?
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...19-porsche-911
I drove the Turbo and Turbo S and frankly do not like the vacuum. Ferrari has done a wonderful job with the 488 Turbo- lag is hardly noticeable. Mclaren Im not a fan of because you notice the Turbo so badly- not so much in the 720, but 650, 12C before that for sure. 570 yes, its there.
Considering my experience with Porsche is relatively new (past few years) and limited to ownership of the GT3 RS and now the GT3 Touring, where would you rank the Turbo engines of Porsche? The current Turbo I would lean more towards Mclaren. What about the 992 gen? Any insight?
08-05-2018, 10:34 PM
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Lots people "in the know" at PAG say things about what will be the case when in fact they are actually talking about what they want or hope for.
Between unpredictable and unforeseen government regulations, market forces, and the realities of homologation, it's pretty difficult to predict 3-4 years out with any type of absolute certainty.
For example, did PAG think they would need to particular filters to meet Euro6? (Hint: no)
Between unpredictable and unforeseen government regulations, market forces, and the realities of homologation, it's pretty difficult to predict 3-4 years out with any type of absolute certainty.
For example, did PAG think they would need to particular filters to meet Euro6? (Hint: no)
08-05-2018, 10:45 PM
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08-05-2018, 10:56 PM
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Porsche deep sixed the NA engine in the Carrera line after 50+ years. Why wouldn't they do the same in the GT cars? It was not by choice that they canned the NA engine in the Carrera - it was due to the ever-tightening vehicle emissions restrictions in the EU. Further, Porsche has pushed the NA flat six to its upper limits. For the next generation to be "better" and faster than the current generation, it is going to a) have to figure out how to squeeze more out of the NA flat six or b) do what they did with the Carrera line and slap a turbo on the engine. This will give them a lot more wiggle room with horsepower but it will muddy the waters inasmuch as the GT3 and GT3 RS will no longer be differentiated from the GT2 by its NA engine. Perhaps, as others have noted, the GT3 line will become a hybrid with an NA engine and a battery for additional power - a la the 918. And perhaps the GT2 will remain a pure turbo charged car. Pure speculation on my part. But in press releases, Porsche has mentioned that it will be offering a hybrid option in the 911 come 2020. The new body is designed to accommodate hybrid technology. Presumably, the 992 GT3 will have the same general body style of the 992 Carreras; thus, it makes sense that a hybrid GT3 and GT3 RS could be in the offing with the 992. Again, pure speculation on my part, but just throwing it out there. No way Porsche will put an 8 cylinder NA engine in the GT3 to increase horsepower. Too heavy and even less environmentally friendly. Not gonna happen.
08-06-2018, 12:56 PM
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08-06-2018, 02:27 PM
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08-06-2018, 02:29 PM
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I have no doubt that it's less than Porsche or McLaren, but it can't be nothing... Maybe when we start to see electric turbochargers or hybrid torque fill, it will start to approach nothing...
To save you the trouble of watching the video, the reviewers say it feels like someone left the handbrake on the 488 at initial throttle application compared to 458.
08-06-2018, 02:44 PM
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If what the reviewer said is true then his 488 was broken.
The initial thrust on the 488 is immediate and almost too much so. Does it drive differently than a 458? Yes, of course. Does that mean there’s turbo lag in the 488? Personally I don’t think so, at least not in the way a McLaren 570S has lag.
The initial throttle response of the 488 almost reminds me of driving a Tesla. Almost.
That said, I still prefer the 458.
08-06-2018, 02:54 PM
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08-06-2018, 03:01 PM
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Yes, I'd prefer to rely on my own experience also (but haven't had the opportunity). However, I don't believe Ferrari have eliminated turbo lag (willing to be proven wrong with experience). I believe they have reduced it through good engineering and by modifying the torque characteristics of the engine with creative boost limitation (by gear and revs), giving illusion of even less lag.
Both of you are saying that there is no lag compared to other brands but there is not the same response as NA. Where I live (high altitude), the lag of the 488 (if you agree there is "any") would be magnified due to the reduced static compression before building boost. If I could detect None, I would be shocked!
If Ferrari already eliminated lag, why go to the trouble of this new lag reduction technology?:
https://www.leftlanenews.com/leaked-...ch-100957.html
Both of you are saying that there is no lag compared to other brands but there is not the same response as NA. Where I live (high altitude), the lag of the 488 (if you agree there is "any") would be magnified due to the reduced static compression before building boost. If I could detect None, I would be shocked!
If Ferrari already eliminated lag, why go to the trouble of this new lag reduction technology?:
https://www.leftlanenews.com/leaked-...ch-100957.html