The future 911 range, including the GT3, will exclusively use turbocharged six-cylind
08-09-2018, 10:40 PM
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But how exactly will they do this? They’ve only gone up in weight on every new platform due to safety regulations etc, beyond their control. Unless they implement full carbon fiber tubs and tons of other carbon components, I don’t see it happen. I wish they did a 2700 lbs model, even if it brought the price into the $300k range. But it would completely restructure their consumer base and production volume...
08-09-2018, 10:51 PM
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^ I see it the other way - according to C&D, curb weight of the 1995 993 was 3,080, and the latest GT3 is 3,276 (manual, without PCCB or CF seats). Considering how much more size, performance, and safety the new car has, they have held weight down remarkably well over the last ~25 years without introducing exotic materials. I don't see the 911 getting bigger, so IMO keeping weight where it is...or less...won't be a challenge. Turbos and/or batteries, however, would add weight.
08-09-2018, 10:53 PM
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IMO the horsepower war isn't what it used to be. I think the performance car buying public is generally aware that 500+ is far more than enough for any street or track, and that in reality another 100 isn't going to make the car any faster. Besides, AP said at the last Rennsport Reunion that the focus of future GT cars would be less weight, not more power.
Speaking of which, the GT2RS is faster than GT3RS on basically the same chassis, so obviously horsepower does make the car faster, albeit with diminishing returns.
Plus all but a few consumers will ever make use of any high HP car, but it matters to 'the general public" even more than those who do make use of it as it's mostly about cars & coffee and insta cred anyway ... I mean that's why all these manufacturers run the Ring to begin with when all but a few people will never set foot on a track, namely so owners can say 'my car is capable of this and that' whilst valet parked outside the club.
08-09-2018, 10:58 PM
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^ Yes, but we're talking about the GT3 - the GT2RS is a different animal - one that can go after 'ring records and challenge horsepower races.
08-09-2018, 11:04 PM
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The blowback -- justified or not -- would break the Internet.
08-09-2018, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
IMO the horsepower war isn't what it used to be. I think the performance car buying public is generally aware that 500+ is far more than enough for any street or track, and that in reality another 100 isn't going to make the car any faster. Besides, AP said at the last Rennsport Reunion that the focus of future GT cars would be less weight, not more power.
Higher rpm NA 4.0 for 992.1 GT3.. they will tell us it's completely redesigned blah blah.. basically ecu unlocks another 500rpm.. you know when you drive your gt3.2 right now how eager the engine is to pass 9k..
992.2 gt3.. hybrid NA.
08-09-2018, 11:37 PM
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The reality is that if Porsche doesn’t go big, they’ll gradually turn into Ferrari (who refuse to provide cars for magazine comparos or limit/manage auto press tests to control who their cars are pitted against). When you sell a car for close to $200K and it can be destroyed by a car costing a fraction of the price ($75K) sales will begin to slide and you will be forced to shift your marketing from a performance/racing pedigree based pitch to pitching cars based on exclusivity or just brand. An example is Aston Martin. Aston Martin didn’t pursue power/performance and relied on their brand to sell cars (I.e., we are THE British sports car maker with exquisite materials and aesthetic exterior design)...look where their sales and profit margins are vs. Porsche.
Porsche will always be linked to performance and weight reduction will only get you so far in a NA street car. It’s all about the numbers, when those auto comparisons and Head 2 Head matchups are published, we all look to see who’s #1. McLaren learnt a lesson and now they aren’t skipping on power (and reliability) anymore, and guess what, they are slowly closing the gap on Porsche and other high performance sport car manufacturers.
Porsche will always be linked to performance and weight reduction will only get you so far in a NA street car. It’s all about the numbers, when those auto comparisons and Head 2 Head matchups are published, we all look to see who’s #1. McLaren learnt a lesson and now they aren’t skipping on power (and reliability) anymore, and guess what, they are slowly closing the gap on Porsche and other high performance sport car manufacturers.
08-10-2018, 12:09 AM
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~550hp @ 9k with 9,500 rpm redline would be great!
08-10-2018, 12:09 AM
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08-10-2018, 12:26 AM
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I like your thinking about an even higher revving NA 4.0L. But, remember that the current motor makes peak power at 8,250 rpm (power would be WAY down by 9,500 rpm). They would need to definitely do more than ECU tune (like camshafts, better breathing intakes and exhaust which could be challenging with particle filters, etc.).
~550hp @ 9k with 9,500 rpm redline would be great!
08-10-2018, 12:45 AM
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I’ve got to be honest, love this thread! 
Bunch of Porsche GT lovers expressing what they imagine or want from future 911 GT. PAG should pay attention. I wish current Porsche was a company that acted on impulse, passion, and emotion. Unfortunately, it is a public company...
Bunch of Porsche GT lovers expressing what they imagine or want from future 911 GT. PAG should pay attention. I wish current Porsche was a company that acted on impulse, passion, and emotion. Unfortunately, it is a public company...
08-10-2018, 12:52 AM
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I’ve got to be honest, love this thread!
Bunch of Porsche GT lovers expressing what they imagine or want from future 911 GT. PAG should pay attention. I wish current Porsche was a company that acted on impulse, passion, and emotion. Unfortunately, it is a public company...
Bunch of Porsche GT lovers expressing what they imagine or want from future 911 GT. PAG should pay attention. I wish current Porsche was a company that acted on impulse, passion, and emotion. Unfortunately, it is a public company...
08-10-2018, 01:12 AM
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I like your thinking about an even higher revving NA 4.0L. But, remember that the current motor makes peak power at 8,250 rpm (power would be WAY down by 9,500 rpm). They would need to definitely do more than ECU tune (like camshafts, better breathing intakes and exhaust which could be challenging with particle filters, etc.).
~550hp @ 9k with 9,500 rpm redline would be great!
4.0/6 = 0.667
4.6/8 = 0.575
08-10-2018, 01:21 AM
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Yeah, it’s a lot of mass moving very quickly. Definitely easier ways to make 550hp (like turbocharging). But not impossible...