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Old 12-23-2017, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick
For those considering prepaying taxes be careful. The AMT may take the payment away.
True, but you still get the state tax deduction
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What sucks most is alot of californians are moving up to Oregon! After 35 years living here, I have never seen such a congested mess.
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Originally Posted by Nick
For those considering prepaying taxes be careful. The AMT may take the payment away.
The AMT is such BS.

The original wording of the tax overall had left it out. Then some clowns put it back in. Without it, the debt in Washington, "sob, sob," would increase.
Old 12-23-2017, 09:04 PM
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What sucks most is alot of californians are moving up to Oregon! After 35 years living here, I have never seen such a congested mess.
Everyone was an immigrant to the area at some point!
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That's nice. But I will take Colorado.


Difference is that our State looks like that during the Winter too. And the Spring, and the Fall.
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Originally Posted by robmypro
I can see a crackdown coming on people claiming their primary residence is in Texas, Florida, Nevada, etc. to avoid paying income tax in California, New York, New Jersey, etc. Those states are not going to allow that revenue to disappear without a fight.
Not a matter of 'claiming' anything. For some, it's not that hard to actually legally make their primary residence in a state without income tax and still spend a considerable amount of time in California.
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Originally Posted by orthojoe
True, but you still get the state tax deduction
Originally Posted by Nick
For those considering prepaying taxes be careful. The AMT may take the payment away.
Joe, not sure about that. CA has a AMT. You could lose it in your State return because the CA AMT is similar to the Federal AMT.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Not a matter of 'claiming' anything. For some, it's not that hard to actually legally make their primary residence in a state without income tax and still spend a considerable amount of time in California.
Don’t think California will make avoiding state income tax easy. Here are the details...

How does the FTB determine whether a visit has a permanent purpose versus a temporary one? It applies the "Closest Connection Test." This refers the comparing contacts a person has with various states during a taxable year: the one with the "closest contacts" is the state of legal residence. For the FTB, this literally means counting all the California contacts a person has and comparing that number with the non-California contacts. Of course, some contacts simply weigh more than others. A job or real estate ownership indicates a closer tie than merely enjoying a round of golf at a country club or attending a music festival. The weightiest factors for residency are:
  • Ownership or lease of real estate.
  • Business interests or employment.
  • Schools used by children.
  • Membership in clubs.
  • Bank accounts or safety deposit boxes.
  • Use of professional services such as accountants, doctors, dentists and lawyers.
  • Automobile registration and license.
  • Family ties and social life.
  • Appearance in telephone or social directories.
  • Location of personal belongings such as clothing, family photo albums or kitchenware.
  • Jury duty.
Basically, if you have any ties to the state, pay up.
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Originally Posted by robmypro


Don’t think California will make avoiding state income tax easy. Here are the details...

How does the FTB determine whether a visit has a permanent purpose versus a temporary one? It applies the "Closest Connection Test." This refers the comparing contacts a person has with various states during a taxable year: the one with the "closest contacts" is the state of legal residence. For the FTB, this literally means counting all the California contacts a person has and comparing that number with the non-California contacts. Of course, some contacts simply weigh more than others. A job or real estate ownership indicates a closer tie than merely enjoying a round of golf at a country club or attending a music festival. The weightiest factors for residency are:
  • Ownership or lease of real estate.
  • Business interests or employment.
  • Schools used by children.
  • Membership in clubs.
  • Bank accounts or safety deposit boxes.
  • Use of professional services such as accountants, doctors, dentists and lawyers.
  • Automobile registration and license.
  • Family ties and social life.
  • Appearance in telephone or social directories.
  • Location of personal belongings such as clothing, family photo albums or kitchenware.
  • Jury duty.
Basically, if you have any ties to the state, pay up.
And its very easy to do almost every one of those things in Nevada and still spend much of the year in California. It's very easy to do, legally, if one wants to go to the trouble. It's just not worth the cost for the average citizen. For the wealthy, it certainly is, and it's not that hard to legally do it.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
And its very easy to do almost every one of those things in Nevada and still spend much of the year in California. It's very easy to do, legally, if one wants to go to the trouble. It's just not worth the cost for the average citizen. For the wealthy, it certainly is, and it's not that hard to legally do it.
I guess what i am saying is if you do spend much of the year in California, I think there is a great chance California is going to hit you with state income taxes. I think this is going to be harder than it has been in the past, as people start trying to avoid CA income tax do to the new tax changes.
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Joe, not sure about that. CA has a AMT. You could lose it in your State return because the CA AMT is similar to the Federal AMT.
For Federal purposes you can deduct state and local income taxes on Schedule A. The Federal AMT will eventually kick in and phase out the Schedule A deductions, thereby eliminating the state and local tax deduction. CA does have an AMT calculation but it isn't affected by the amount you pay in state taxes (just as you don't deduct the amount you pay in federal taxes on your federal return).
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I know this much.

I will never take tax advice on Rennlist.
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Originally Posted by Gef3rd


For Federal purposes you can deduct state and local income taxes on Schedule A. The Federal AMT will eventually kick in and phase out the Schedule A deductions, thereby eliminating the state and local tax deduction. CA does have an AMT calculation but it isn't affected by the amount you pay in state taxes (just as you don't deduct the amount you pay in federal taxes on your federal return).
Yes....the dreaded AMT. You have to take advantage of the TDF provisions to make you forget about all this craziness.
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Yes....the dreaded AMT. You have to take advantage of the TDF provisions to make you forget about all this craziness.
Yes. Not to be confused with the Superfast provision. Looking forward to seeing your car here shortly.

I'm not a tax professional - but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Originally Posted by Nick
For those considering prepaying taxes be careful. The AMT may take the payment away.
If you find yourself in Fed AMT - you could consider a Roth conversion, to generate some income and only pay the 28% AMT on that income. May not be great timing from a market perspective though.


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