991.2 GT3 RS
08-09-2018 | 12:41 PM
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Porsche has some of the greatest engineers in the world who spend years and countless dollars to optimize these components, not to mention test the components rigorously to ensure durability. I’ve never understood why people then tear apart these pieces for minimal gains (if any) appreciable gains. Plus, risking warranty voiding expensive repairs!
i understand changes in cheaper out of warranty vehicles when components need repair, replaced, ect. But to tear apart a beautiful new RS is just dumbfounding!
i understand changes in cheaper out of warranty vehicles when components need repair, replaced, ect. But to tear apart a beautiful new RS is just dumbfounding!
Sadly accountants often times get in the way during projects and decisions are made based on $ rather than pure engineering perfection. I agree that the less you mess with these amazing P cars the better. I believe small changes like performance wheels or performance exhausts help personalize and differentiate cars for some individuals.
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08-09-2018 | 05:08 PM
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So the SportAuto supertest has just come out and they did 7:05 on CupR tyres at the Ring.. no mention of times on regular semis unfortunately. With 1.8g sustained lateral G they are about 0.2 over what the Cup2 would do. They did 1:05.4 on HH compared to the Manthey car’s 1:05.8 (Manthey deny their N0 are disguised CupR). Also interesting that their times with ESP on or completely deactivated were identical. Generally the speeds they achieve at the Ring are mind boggling. I would love to have a pax in one of the factory cars driven by a factory driver.
08-09-2018 | 07:03 PM
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991.2 GT2 RS: 6:47.30s (Porsche)
991.2 GT3 RS: 6:56.40s (Porsche)
991.2 GT2 RS: 6:58.28s (+10.98s)(Sport Auto)
991.2 GT3 RS: 7:05.41s (+9.01s)(Sport Auto)
....991.2 GT3: 7:12.70s (Porsche)
....991.2 GT3: 7:18.20s (+5.50s)(Sport Auto)
08-09-2018 | 08:27 PM
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i) Sport Auto obviously aren't doing the tests in the exact same conditions as Porsche, and not always in ideal conditions.
ii) Sport Auto probably don't/can't do several timed laps and track sessions to pick the best one.
iii) As good as they might be, neither Christian Gebhardt nor previously Horst von Saurma are young professional works racing drivers paid by their employer to drive a car owned by their employer to the absolute limit.
Ultimately I'm not bothered by the difference in times, aside from potentially different track conditions and as the car and tyres seem to be identical, to me it simply shows what a professional driver can get out of a car vs an enthusiast driver with limited time behind the wheel.
ii) Sport Auto probably don't/can't do several timed laps and track sessions to pick the best one.
iii) As good as they might be, neither Christian Gebhardt nor previously Horst von Saurma are young professional works racing drivers paid by their employer to drive a car owned by their employer to the absolute limit.
Ultimately I'm not bothered by the difference in times, aside from potentially different track conditions and as the car and tyres seem to be identical, to me it simply shows what a professional driver can get out of a car vs an enthusiast driver with limited time behind the wheel.
08-09-2018 | 08:49 PM
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correct Sharkwerks can ship directly to dealer, and they will install and cover with warranty.
08-09-2018 | 09:48 PM
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If he were, why wouldn't he go ply his trade as a factory driver vs. magazine road tester?
On another note, this week I spoke with two European friends of mine who have both recently taken delivery of a new GT3 RS - both said there was basically no change vs. their former 991.1 RS in terms of overall experience. One is a factory driver and the other is a Piëch family member with a lot of track time in a variety of Porsches.
08-09-2018 | 10:07 PM
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On another note, this week I spoke with two European friends of mine who have both recently taken delivery of a new GT3 RS - both said there was basically no change vs. their former 991.1 RS in terms of overall experience. One is a factory driver and the other is a Piëch family member with a lot of track time in a variety of Porsches.
08-09-2018 | 10:26 PM
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08-10-2018 | 05:11 AM
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Regarding the question why SportAuto do not achieve the NS times set by Porsche, I am actually amazed at how close they get. Christian is foremost a journalist who can drive well and races with modest success. None of the often faster racers who go out in their own cars or customer cars get anywhere near the SA times, let alone the Porsche times. That’s partly due to the way the test cars are prepped but clearly also due to the skills Christian has in road cars. To set these times with only a couple of tests laps and two max attack laps takes skill.
08-10-2018 | 05:25 AM
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Regarding the question why SportAuto do not achieve the NS times set by Porsche, I am actually amazed at how close they get. Christian is foremost a journalist who can drive well and races with modest success. None of the often faster racers who go out in their own cars or customer cars get anywhere near the SA times, let alone the Porsche times. That’s partly due to the way the test cars are prepped but clearly also due to the skills Christian has in road cars. To set these times with only a couple of tests laps and two max attack laps takes skill.
Porsche did every run on new tires (if I remember correctly).
Porsche prepared the run the week before with test runs. (But they just had a one hour slot to set their record time.)
Porsche probably run an optimal setup.
I do not know what the temperatures where when the tests where done but it has been very warm recently in Nürburg. Maybe SA lap was on one of these hot days?
IMHO: Improving 9 seconds (SA compared to PAG) at these already low lap times is a gigantic step.
08-10-2018 | 05:27 AM
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On another note, this week I spoke with two European friends of mine who have both recently taken delivery of a new GT3 RS - both said there was basically no change vs. their former 991.1 RS in terms of overall experience. One is a factory driver and the other is a Piëch family member with a lot of track time in a variety of Porsches.
One friend of mine said the same.
Other said: This is going to take time to get used too.
Both good drivers. Both on delivery setup.
08-10-2018 | 06:29 AM
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Regarding the question why SportAuto do not achieve the NS times set by Porsche, I am actually amazed at how close they get. Christian is foremost a journalist who can drive well and races with modest success. None of the often faster racers who go out in their own cars or customer cars get anywhere near the SA times, let alone the Porsche times. That’s partly due to the way the test cars are prepped but clearly also due to the skills Christian has in road cars. To set these times with only a couple of tests laps and two max attack laps takes skill.
And regarding the other comments about Christian: You should first try to drive the ring under 8mins and then appreciate the car control Christian has.