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Old 01-19-2018, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mass27
Great thread and thanks for putting this together. At what stage of production / allocation are VINs "created"?

From what time period do they represent? At 560 cars for NA, I wonder what % this represents of total VINs "created". Trying to extrapolate total cars expected to be produced.
SO many that the production number will not matter. These cars will never be collectible. The .1 GT3RS estimated global production ~7,500+. North America 1421. Extrapolate to .1 GT3 and fudge on the downside would be global production of at least 10,000 and almost certainly more than that.

Porsche will produce as many as they can sell for as long of a production run as they can cost justify. This is not your father's Porsche AG.

History should remind us that it was not until the run up of 2013-2015 that the limited production (and I am talking global production numbers of less than 1,000 and is some cases less than 100) air cooled 1990's cars became worth more than MSRP.
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Originally Posted by shizzle
So if porsche's submission to carb is accurate (big question these days :P) we're half way through US production already, so i wouldn't be surprised if production stops in the sep/oct timeframe.
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
I believe that ... total world production for the .2 will potentially exceed 6,000 cars.
Quite the understatement. I think ...
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Originally Posted by pors9
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^ It sure is, but it won't change by an order of magnitude cause that would affect fleet mileage and cause other headaches for porsche. 2100 (with 420 for Cali) is what they set as a target for the US and I doubt that number will change by more than a dozen or two at the most.
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Originally Posted by shizzle
^ It sure is, but it won't change by an order of magnitude cause that would affect fleet mileage and cause other headaches for porsche. 2100 (with 420 for Cali) is what they set as a target for the US and I doubt that number will change by more than a dozen or two at the most.
I recall when Porsche spread the word that they were going to build only 600 .1 GT3RS for North America. Then it became ... well something more than that but no definitive number. Then it turned out to be 1421 units. The total MSRP of the North America build alone was close to $300 million ($210k average MSRP x 1421) ... which makes me believe that Porsche will do whatever they wish and deal with whatever headaches that brings. Time will tell ...
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The problem with extrapolating is that the uptake by the US market is not consistent per model. According to a recently published book on the 911R, 290+ (out of 991) were built for the US, so almost 30%. By contrast, assuming that the numbers posted by Pors9 for the .1 GT3RS are correct, the percentage for the US would be below 20%, and that for two cars which share a lot of their DNA.
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Originally Posted by shizzle
So if porsche's submission to carb is accurate (big question these days :P) we're half way through US production already, so i wouldn't be surprised if production stops in the sep/oct timeframe.
I don't think production will stop early but they will slow it down as production shifts to other countries and other cars start production. January GT3 production for NA is looking to be less than 100 cars at this point.

pors9, I think your 991.1 RS numbers may be out of date. My most recent count is closer to 1440 cars but may be as high as 1521. I also can't see that NA production was 20% of the total. I have no idea where this 7500 is coming from.
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think production will stop early but they will slow it down as production shifts to other countries and other cars start production. January GT3 production for NA is looking to be less than 100 cars at this point.

pors9, I think your 991.1 RS numbers may be out of date. My most recent count is closer to 1440 cars but may be as high as 1521. I also can't see that NA production was 20% of the total. I have no idea where this 7500 is coming from.
Will have to revisit the 991.1 RS numbers maybe there are a few more to add. As to the 7,500, that came from Thomas Schmitz who visited the factory near end of production and was told the global production exceeded 7,500 units ... I believe him. Anecdotally others have intimated the same ...

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Originally Posted by pors9
Will have to revisit the 991.1 RS numbers maybe there are a few more to add. As to the 7,500, that came from Thomas Schmitz who visited the factory near end of production and was told the global production exceeded 7,500 units ... I believe him. Anecdotally others have intimated he same ...
Over 7500 991.1 RS's ... holy cow!
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think production will stop early but they will slow it down as production shifts to other countries and other cars start production. January GT3 production for NA is looking to be less than 100 cars at this point.
Great info. Recall when the second wave of US allocations came out for October to December, there were quite a few, and then when the third wave came out January to calendar year end, dealers were griping they got so few.
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think production will stop early but they will slow it down as production shifts to other countries and other cars start production. January GT3 production for NA is looking to be less than 100 cars at this point.

pors9, I think your 991.1 RS numbers may be out of date. My most recent count is closer to 1440 cars but may be as high as 1521. I also can't see that NA production was 20% of the total. I have no idea where this 7500 is coming from.
Regarding US being 20% of production question ... here's something for reference.

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I don't think that table is a lot of help. I don't believe China received 2100+ GT3RS's. I also think that NA gets a greater proportion of GT cars. If you do use that table then the US should have gotten closer to 1700 cars rather than the 1300 they got. Why so few to the US and so many to China?

I guess I didn't hear the conversation regarding production numbers or who was involved. Factory tour guide? Was that the total 991.1 GT production number? Did that include R's? I don't care if they made 7500, I just don't see the evidence to support that number.
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Originally Posted by spydersmiley
According to a recently published book on the 911R, 290+ (out of 991) were built for the US, so almost 30%.
We are pretty on it .. I don't believe this is correct or even close.
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think that table is a lot of help. I don't believe China received 2100+ GT3RS's. I also think that NA gets a greater proportion of GT cars. If you do use that table then the US should have gotten closer to 1700 cars rather than the 1300 they got. Why so few to the US and so many to China?

I guess I didn't hear the conversation regarding production numbers or who was involved. Factory tour guide? Was that the total 991.1 GT production number? Did that include R's? I don't care if they made 7500, I just don't see the evidence to support that number.
The table was meant to provide a general reference to demonstrate the production allocation - not specific to any particular model. You are reading too much into why I posted it.
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think that table is a lot of help. I don't believe China received 2100+ GT3RS's. I also think that NA gets a greater proportion of GT cars. If you do use that table then the US should have gotten closer to 1700 cars rather than the 1300 they got. Why so few to the US and so many to China?

I guess I didn't hear the conversation regarding production numbers or who was involved. Factory tour guide? Was that the total 991.1 GT production number? Did that include R's? I don't care if they made 7500, I just don't see the evidence to support that number.
The reference was to GT3RS only. If you know who Thomas is then you will know that it was not information provided by a factory tour guide ... although I do find that a funny comment . Loess, you can believe what you like.


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