911R
09-14-2017, 02:02 AM
#49
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by NoPaddleShiftFor
I chose a nice spot to pass the 2,000 mile mark in mine. I know, shock horror, a 911R actually being driven. It rained most of the day too.
Jeff
09-14-2017, 02:43 PM
#50
Rennlist Member
Completely agreed. This weekend I'm taking it out for as long as I can.
09-14-2017, 02:55 PM
#51
As someone who literally just pulled the trigger on one, after a ton of research, they hit that ridiculous point a few months ago and have since receded a nice chunk. What happens next is anyones guess, but it seems like the white cars are overall the most plentiful, but when they touch 400k they seem to sell pretty quickly. I got my car (a silver no stripes or decals 212k msrp car) for a little under 400...FWIW, it wasn't listed for more than a week at that price and it was the lowest listing in the world, with just one car from Florida being close in asking at 409. I'm thinking this is the bottom (plus or minus 20k for argument sake) of these things and they will sit here for a while until anything that's available gets picked up from the 395-415k price range for a NON PTS car. Once that happens, I and quite a few collectors are thinking it's going to start creeping up again. This time, it's not really going to come back down too much. Granted, it will probably take 5-7 years for it to climb to the 600-700 level "again" (if cars actually transacted for those numbers).
As far as the 911 gt3 touring package, I don't think that actually will make THAT much of any difference when it comes to the R value. When they made 991 of these and with the true spirit of driving instilled in it's zeitgeist, the pretty much guaranteed it's desirability for life. Yes, other cars will out perform it, or maybe even get more raw...but there's something about the not being "R-like or style" and being an actual R. That's my opinion, and I could have my *** completely handed to me (wouldn't be the first time)...but normally I'm pretty good when it comes to these things
As far as the 911 gt3 touring package, I don't think that actually will make THAT much of any difference when it comes to the R value. When they made 991 of these and with the true spirit of driving instilled in it's zeitgeist, the pretty much guaranteed it's desirability for life. Yes, other cars will out perform it, or maybe even get more raw...but there's something about the not being "R-like or style" and being an actual R. That's my opinion, and I could have my *** completely handed to me (wouldn't be the first time)...but normally I'm pretty good when it comes to these things
I said it before and I reiterate, 991 R prices will decrease (and even more when warranties run out on these new 991 GT3 TP) to 250k-300k for a 'normal' R. Basically 4.0 numbers today, that will drop a lil bit too.
09-14-2017, 02:59 PM
#52
And as I mentioned, a dual mass flywheel in an R will bring the value down( literally 20k-30k) and a car without pepita or houndstooth inserts will push it down another 10-15k from the premium (not the MSRP mind you still). That's how you'll maybe see a couple go under the 380 mark if ever.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...der=DESCENDING
09-14-2017, 03:15 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
Pepita, brown leather, stripes, single mass flywheel, delivery mileage, stripes, PCCB, 349k.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...der=DESCENDING
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...der=DESCENDING
That's 349k EURO....so around 415k USD. What point are you trying to make?
09-14-2017, 03:47 PM
#54
09-14-2017, 04:58 PM
#55
Due to the 19% VAT included on everything -- prices in Germany tend to be higher.
My German 991.2 GT3 is costing about $205,000 at today's exchange rate. It would be about 170k in America. 993's, 997's, are all priced substantially higher in Germany than in America.
From what I've seen, German Porsche prices in euros tend to be slightly higher than US prices in dollars before the exchange rate calculation is done. If I were to see a 911 selling for 350k euros in Germany; I'd probably guess it cost around $325k in America. The opposite effect seems to be true with Ferrari where a lot of my German friends view Italy the way a lot of Americans view products built in Mexico. Until recently you could pick up a 458 for a song.
09-14-2017, 06:04 PM
#56
09-14-2017, 06:32 PM
#57
10 991 R under 400k just in Germany, at least 2 at 349k.
I said it before and I reiterate, 991 R prices will decrease (and even more when warranties run out on these new 991 GT3 TP) to 250k-300k for a 'normal' R. Basically 4.0 numbers today, that will drop a lil bit too.
I said it before and I reiterate, 991 R prices will decrease (and even more when warranties run out on these new 991 GT3 TP) to 250k-300k for a 'normal' R. Basically 4.0 numbers today, that will drop a lil bit too.
here, move along.
If you have something about the driving experience or an interesting technical aspect about the 911R, I'd really love to hear it.
09-14-2017, 06:41 PM
#58
Three Wheelin'
This forum is getting filled with LOTS of:
1.) Financial Planners
2.) Stock Brokers
3.) Accountants
4.) Bankers
5.) Investors
Am I at the Wall Street website? This is RENNLIST correct?
Where did the car enthusiast go?
Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
1.) Financial Planners
2.) Stock Brokers
3.) Accountants
4.) Bankers
5.) Investors
Am I at the Wall Street website? This is RENNLIST correct? Where did the car enthusiast go? Drive safe,
GT3RS-Fan1
09-14-2017, 06:44 PM
#59
Rennlist Member
This. Year to year every collector car ebbs and flows. It's amazing how many people are infatuated with the R market though...must be THAT interesting and controversial of a car that has a lot of you guys scanning the world market for them on a seemingly day by day basis...when people stop talking about it, then maybe collectors won't care as much for it.
09-14-2017, 06:46 PM
#60
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