GT3.2 production run years
07-28-2017, 05:25 PM
#16
Three Wheelin'
Turning this thread into an emission thread. From what I can research, Euro 6 started in 2015 and current emission is per Euro 6c. Euro 7 regulation have not been finalized.
Regarding the proposed ban on non EV cars in the UK, it will first start out with congested cities....
One thing to consider, a replacement battery is $8-12k depending on size. That means when the well off people scrap theirs cars in 5 years, next person drives it 3-5 years, range is now 15 miles and a new battery is required. How will low income people afford a EV car, they wont.
Then they say, cost of batteries will be lower with demand and improved manufacturing. However, lithium and cobalt, are not common elements. 60% of cobalt is mined in Congo. We now what happend to the diamond industry and blood diamonds. Apple get 20% of theri cobalt from Congo for their batteries and are pressured to stop using cobalt from Congo.
Lithium mining levels are at 182,000ton. IN order to support the EV boom as predicted, the mining capacity will have to increase to 3,000,000tons per year. Those are staggering numbers. Mining is not a popular business, environmental groups oppose it so starting new mines will take time. Most of the lithium is found in Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, but also USA, Australia and Russia.
Then what about charging, if all the EV cars plug in at night, when there is suppose to be low demand, this new demand will have to come from somewhere and it cant be solar. So wind, coal or gas?
Anyway, my prediction is we wont have the boom as some predict........a few years ago diesel was the savior for Europe and global warming, not the same opinion today. There are so many variables and it will be difficult to see have each variable changes as the number of EV cars are produced.
Regarding the proposed ban on non EV cars in the UK, it will first start out with congested cities....
One thing to consider, a replacement battery is $8-12k depending on size. That means when the well off people scrap theirs cars in 5 years, next person drives it 3-5 years, range is now 15 miles and a new battery is required. How will low income people afford a EV car, they wont.
Then they say, cost of batteries will be lower with demand and improved manufacturing. However, lithium and cobalt, are not common elements. 60% of cobalt is mined in Congo. We now what happend to the diamond industry and blood diamonds. Apple get 20% of theri cobalt from Congo for their batteries and are pressured to stop using cobalt from Congo.
Lithium mining levels are at 182,000ton. IN order to support the EV boom as predicted, the mining capacity will have to increase to 3,000,000tons per year. Those are staggering numbers. Mining is not a popular business, environmental groups oppose it so starting new mines will take time. Most of the lithium is found in Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, but also USA, Australia and Russia.
Then what about charging, if all the EV cars plug in at night, when there is suppose to be low demand, this new demand will have to come from somewhere and it cant be solar. So wind, coal or gas?
Anyway, my prediction is we wont have the boom as some predict........a few years ago diesel was the savior for Europe and global warming, not the same opinion today. There are so many variables and it will be difficult to see have each variable changes as the number of EV cars are produced.
07-28-2017, 05:26 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
so, since no new regulation Jan 2019, GT3 production can go on......
Porsche sale of the 911 base and 911S is down so more GT3 is possible.
"On 28 October 2015, Member States meeting in the Technical Committee of Motor Vehicles (TCMV) voted by a large majority for the 2nd RDE package which was necessary for the RDE tests to have an actual impact on type approvals issued by national authorities. From 1 September 2017 the new RDE tests will determine whether a new car model is allowed to be put on the market. From 1 September 2019 then, a conformity factor is set at 2.1 for all new vehicles. A second stage conformity factor is equal to 1.0, with a margin parameter that takes into account the additional measurement uncertainties introduced by the PEMS equipment. The margin parameter is currently set at 0.5. The latter is subject to an annual review and shall be revised as a result of the improved quality of the PEMS procedure or technical progress."
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...L:2016:082:TOC
Porsche sale of the 911 base and 911S is down so more GT3 is possible.
"On 28 October 2015, Member States meeting in the Technical Committee of Motor Vehicles (TCMV) voted by a large majority for the 2nd RDE package which was necessary for the RDE tests to have an actual impact on type approvals issued by national authorities. From 1 September 2017 the new RDE tests will determine whether a new car model is allowed to be put on the market. From 1 September 2019 then, a conformity factor is set at 2.1 for all new vehicles. A second stage conformity factor is equal to 1.0, with a margin parameter that takes into account the additional measurement uncertainties introduced by the PEMS equipment. The margin parameter is currently set at 0.5. The latter is subject to an annual review and shall be revised as a result of the improved quality of the PEMS procedure or technical progress."
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...L:2016:082:TOC
07-28-2017, 05:46 PM
#18
Rennlist Member
Turning this thread into an emission thread. From what I can research, Euro 6 started in 2015 and current emission is per Euro 6c. Euro 7 regulation have not been finalized.
Regarding the proposed ban on non EV cars in the UK, it will first start out with congested cities....
One thing to consider, a replacement battery is $8-12k depending on size. That means when the well off people scrap theirs cars in 5 years, next person drives it 3-5 years, range is now 15 miles and a new battery is required. How will low income people afford a EV car, they wont.
Regarding the proposed ban on non EV cars in the UK, it will first start out with congested cities....
One thing to consider, a replacement battery is $8-12k depending on size. That means when the well off people scrap theirs cars in 5 years, next person drives it 3-5 years, range is now 15 miles and a new battery is required. How will low income people afford a EV car, they wont.
07-28-2017, 05:58 PM
#19
Race Director
I expect the next wave of Porsche future gt cars will have
forced induction (Turbo Charged). I assume we are seeing
the last of the N/A gt models once the Cycle 6 emissions
permits expire. If that set of assumptions holds true, future
Porsche gt models will still be faster...but power delivery will
be felt differently by the driver & passenger! Same as when
Porsche gt cars go to Hybrid, then full Electric, at some time
in the near horizon to meet increasingly restrictive emissions.
While we here at Rennlist have been excessively preoccupied
with gt3 allocations, PTS, Magic 8 *****, values up/down &
amused by mocking inexperienced newbies trying to get a gt3,
Europe has been moving closer to getting rid of all internal
combustion engines as early as 2040! That is less than 23
years from now! And I have not seen much discussion here
of what these recent announcements will mean to our hobby!
Britain to Ban New Diesel and Gas Cars by 2040
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/w...emissions.html
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Vail Valley, CO
forced induction (Turbo Charged). I assume we are seeing
the last of the N/A gt models once the Cycle 6 emissions
permits expire. If that set of assumptions holds true, future
Porsche gt models will still be faster...but power delivery will
be felt differently by the driver & passenger! Same as when
Porsche gt cars go to Hybrid, then full Electric, at some time
in the near horizon to meet increasingly restrictive emissions.
While we here at Rennlist have been excessively preoccupied
with gt3 allocations, PTS, Magic 8 *****, values up/down &
amused by mocking inexperienced newbies trying to get a gt3,
Europe has been moving closer to getting rid of all internal
combustion engines as early as 2040! That is less than 23
years from now! And I have not seen much discussion here
of what these recent announcements will mean to our hobby!
Britain to Ban New Diesel and Gas Cars by 2040
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/w...emissions.html
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Vail Valley, CO