jo_ker

thx Mike. everythings fine here! 997.2RS is ok. 570s: i guess Kobald will see it soon - goes to sweden. i found myself in your words about your McL experiences...
need/want a 991.1/.2 GT3/RS again. GT2RS i can´t get any slot/allocation.

the trousers stretches as soon i start one of the Caterhams. i´m done forever it seems.

Z356

I am NOT getting best internet connection
at present in this location in Italy. But let
me add some of our past conversations on
the topic. Overall, PAG for a long time had
strict 'no deviation allowed' on caliper colors
for reason I go into a length in posts below.
But we saw them first allow 'Silver' calipers
to be selected for an extra cost in the 918 as
a reular option on the 918 option list. And that
crack in the wall was followed by allowing a
very few VIP customers to do the same on
the '16 .1 991 gt3 RS (e.g. jo_ker's beautiful
991 RS, which he did not ordered himself. That
was done, I believe, by a Porsche family VIP!)
And this time, PAG allowed this only via CXX,
which is always by special request & is not
listed on any official option list made public.
And also at a normally price so outrageously
high & designed to discourage its request.

Regardless, the optional caliper colors appears
to be always limited to what they have contracted
with their suppliers (e.g. Brembo) to paint the
calipers for various Porsche models:



So not truly 'PTS' to match your 'Viper Green'
gt3 RS! In my opinion, paying CXX prices for
a 'Silver' calipers on ant gt model is a big waste
of money & effort. But that is just my own
opinion.

***
Some might find this past post worth reading:

1) Why is it always 'Speed Yellow' on the
PCCB & not matching the new 'Racing Yellow'?


Scroll down to find Post #990:




https://rennlist.com/forums/991/7085...nd-you-66.html

I will add other relevant posts as soon as
possible.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Piemonte, Italy

jo_ker

seems like CXX calipers. in blue?

Ferdinant Piechs wife driving this 991.2 GT3.

Tioga120

^^^ CXX interior?

Edit: other thread mentions the interior

ricster1965

We do it at our store, we dissemble the calipers and send out for powder coat and re assemble with new rubber boots for pistons etc. $1700

sechsgang

Yep, PTS, CXX interior and VVVVVIRUNTHECOMPANYP body colored brakes...

Perimeter

At Ferrari atelier order time you sit down to spec the car and can choose your caliper color. Options like this are a serious profit area for Ferrari, can't see why Porsche is passing it up...


Outsourced is my bet, hence caliper production runs are scheduled BEFORE the car is sold and adding a color option would mess up Porsche's "Just In Time delivery" method.

That could change if it was shown to be profitable....!


I would think that changing the seal kits are the most important aspect, pistons should be LN

chaosoul

Ferrari should start charging deviated stitching $5000 like on Porsche instead of just $800 on Ferrari, its a huge market, I bet people will still pay up.


Porsche should start charging $11,000 for standard special paints like Ferrari.


Haha, yea its funny how different companies charge way different prices for each "exclusive option". Quite a few Ferrari & Lamborghini options are actually "cheap" compare to Porsche, though most are other way around.

Perimeter

You are getting a serious discount somehow, they charged $24k for the extra-Campagnario color (special out of range colors).

Archimedes

Looking at that picture, the thought that comes to mind is...'It's good to be the king...'

CAlexio

I learned A LOT yesterday at #ATLPEC regarding why deviating yellow thread on a GT3 might be $8k, where it's free on a gt4. Basically.. the saddlery shop can only run red and white for GT3.. so if you order yellow stitch, then they have to find a separate saddlery to hand-make the seats.. no automation.

Also with PTS paint.. they lock the car to PTS paint and order an exact quantity, so if you want PTS interior panels, that's a whole extra bit of paint which somehow isn't part of their standard ordering so waddya know.. bend over and take it.

Also learned that almost 90% of VIP are ordering PTS.. but very few focus on interiors. The custom seating stuff seems like such a better value.. you can get completely bespoke seats with piping and painted belt pass through and pepita for about the same as PTS color... cool experience to learn about it all.

The calipers is just a branding thing.. they don't want you to mess with their carefully choreographed colors so aftermarket is only way to go. Acid green with acid green interior stitch was floated and NIXED! Wasn't there for me anyway but was fun to learn all the little rules and nuances. In my mind now... PTS is overplayed... lots of interesting ways to make a car standout. important not to price a GT3 out of the normal range.. $200k PTS custom stitched interior GT3 is a pointless car.. and it's not that hard to reach those prices actually... CXX people gladly come up with beautifully creative and hideously expensive combos.

Z356

Alessandro: To make clarification for those that
closely follow our custom ordering threads, etc.

First of all, seats are all outsourced at PAG. They
are not made/stitched in any way at the saddlery
shop in Zuffenhausen. I was at that exact saddlery
shop last week & can verify what I am saying above.
There they do stitch other leather panels for 991/718
models, although we are not 100% sure if any of the
gt3/gt4 specific interior parts are made there or
outsourced. The fact that gt models have so few
interior leather options facilitate their ousourcing,
should PAG decide that.

There ARE reasons why PAG restricts colors of
interiors & deviated stitching on their gt3/gt4
models. But that it is NOT that the saddlery
shop in Zuffenhausen 'can only run red and
white for GT3'!

Who at Porsche Exclusive in Atlanta were you
talking to?

***
Any interior part of the vehicle that is requested
to match exterior paint is normally done by outside
supplier too (air vents, various small trim pieces).
Whether it is normal color offerings or PTS, it is
all planned well ahead. In case of PTS, they order
enough paint to do everything requested AT TIME
OF ORDER LOCKING UP...and also deliver the PTS
paint to external suppliers to complete smaller parts
when the paint is mixed. For example, the option
for 'air vents colored to match exterior paint' cost
basically the same, whether it's done in 'Guards Red'
...or in PTS 'Signal Green'. So less bending over than
you think!

As you know, we work hard here to report information
on PTS that our readers can count on. So I would like
you to double check your information for the sake of
clarity.

***
Correct.

***
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Fine.

Saludos,
Eduardo
San Martino Alfieri, Piemonte

chaosoul

Yea that's the "standard special paint" as I mentioned. 24k is the next tier up of "special paint" like Giallo Triplo Strato.


Standard special paint are like Grigio Scuro (Slate Grey / Grey black)


Basically its free - > 11-12k -> 24-25k


If you're out of the 4-5 standard colors (Rosso Corsa, Giallo Modena, Bianco, Blu Pozzi......) they charge you 11k for next cheapest color. Imagine paying 11k for Rhodium Silver and Carrara White.

C.J. Ichiban

If you have the slot and the patience you can make all the cxx attempts you want. Doesn't mean the next guy wants your painted vents.


I personally love some of the stitching stuff. And some of the PTS paints. I think some are terrible. I do think it's ironic that guys wish it was more like lambo or ferrari or mclaren...mclaren is the easiest company to work with and makes the fewest cars...porsche makes the most cars of these brands and therefore has the hardest time accommodating everybody. It's a direct relationship on time spent per car built.

chaosoul

Haha, you've done some nice CXX options before though I have to say.


The truth is, the grass is greener on the other side, people are infatuated with things they cannot get. God forbid you tell someone, only the selective few can get this option, boom, demand.


If Porsche set up a PTS factory line so they can just do PTS throughout the year with no delay and charge people like 10-15k, sure people will go nuts in the beginning, but after 1-2 generation of cars, eventually people will not be that into it anymore.


You see BMW where most individual paint and individual interior is worth almost $0 on resale.


You see McLaren even though they can MSO anytime at a cost, you don't see as much % of customer (like Porsche) with eager demands to do MSO and be perfectly fine if it meant waiting another 6 months for their car.


However, if BMW and McLaren (before ruining the market with the flood) said since day 1, our standard colors is all you can choose. We will pick 200 VIPs per year and offer them to individualize their car, only through this way can your car ever be customized or painted in non-standard color. This will yield a very different result.


Lets go higher. Look at how easy it is to have a special edition Veyron, Huayra, and Agera. If you ask for it, you can name your own car's edition, you can customize the car top to bottom, and all of them are "1 of 1". Even though they say, limit 450 Veyrons, 100 Huayra, etc they have like so much subset of special one off editions with those limited numbers. Try getting your LaFerrari named with your own special edition and call it "1 of 1", I bet that wouldn't be nearly as easy as the other brands mentioned. I am sure they are all great cars and very capable cars when comparing to each other, just like when comparing GT3 to 570S. The difference is a lot of perception/marketing/brand-loyalty/exclusivity.