Will the 991.2 GT3 be a $300K car?
03-07-2017, 05:54 PM
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03-07-2017, 05:58 PM
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Look at it from current owner perspective.
1. You own a 991.1 GT3.
A lot of people are going to be tempted to sell their current GT3's and upgrade. Result: more 991.1 for sale. More demand for 991.2.
Agree
2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2.
Maybe some but these are the guys that need their head examined. Very few will be doing this.
3. You own a 911 R.
Some people will cash out of their R and use some of the profits to get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
R is fetching way way above what it should be in my opinion so i agree .2GT3 will affect it's value especially since the only distinctive difference is the wing and I heard .2 may offer wing delete option
4. You own a 997 GT3 RS or RS 4.0
Some people will cash out of these cars and get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
Maybe, but not the RS 4.0. Again, you would need your head checked to throw a 997 4.0RS under the bus for a .2GT3
5. You do not own a GT3, R or RS, but you are in the market.
Which car are you going to buy?
- 911 R? Why pay that premium when the 991.2 GT3 is just as good, and many think better?
- 991.1 RS? The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is better, just as powerful, and has a manual. But RS is RS and the .2 does not have the wide body, inlets, wing, light weight bits etc...No contest in my mind.
- 991.1 GT3? Only if the 991.1 is a lot cheaper, which it will be.
- 997 GT3 RS? The new 991.2 GT3 flogs it in every way imaginable.
- 997 GT3 RS 4.0? Only collectors would choose the 4.0 over the 991.2 GT3.
Conclusion:
Any way you slice it, these new GT3's are going to be in high demand. Prices of just about everything else will soften accordingly, and these cars will be bid up. Fully expecting around $180k to $200k street price. That high price will support prices to a degree on the 991.1 GT3, and possibly pull down anything currently going over $200k.
Supply and demand.
1. You own a 991.1 GT3.
A lot of people are going to be tempted to sell their current GT3's and upgrade. Result: more 991.1 for sale. More demand for 991.2.
Agree
2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2.
Maybe some but these are the guys that need their head examined. Very few will be doing this.
3. You own a 911 R.
Some people will cash out of their R and use some of the profits to get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
R is fetching way way above what it should be in my opinion so i agree .2GT3 will affect it's value especially since the only distinctive difference is the wing and I heard .2 may offer wing delete option
4. You own a 997 GT3 RS or RS 4.0
Some people will cash out of these cars and get a manual 991.2 GT3. Result: More demand for 991.2 GT3.
Maybe, but not the RS 4.0. Again, you would need your head checked to throw a 997 4.0RS under the bus for a .2GT3
5. You do not own a GT3, R or RS, but you are in the market.
Which car are you going to buy?
- 911 R? Why pay that premium when the 991.2 GT3 is just as good, and many think better?
- 991.1 RS? The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is better, just as powerful, and has a manual. But RS is RS and the .2 does not have the wide body, inlets, wing, light weight bits etc...No contest in my mind.
- 991.1 GT3? Only if the 991.1 is a lot cheaper, which it will be.
- 997 GT3 RS? The new 991.2 GT3 flogs it in every way imaginable.
- 997 GT3 RS 4.0? Only collectors would choose the 4.0 over the 991.2 GT3.
Conclusion:
Any way you slice it, these new GT3's are going to be in high demand. Prices of just about everything else will soften accordingly, and these cars will be bid up. Fully expecting around $180k to $200k street price. That high price will support prices to a degree on the 991.1 GT3, and possibly pull down anything currently going over $200k.
Supply and demand.
03-07-2017, 06:01 PM
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03-07-2017, 06:04 PM
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Honestly, I just don't think there will be a frenzy around the .2 GT3 like there was around the .1 RS. The RS was/is more of a special car than the new GT3. I still think, at most, you'll see it play out similar to the GT4, or a lot of people simply won't be interested. With the price bump, I think a mildly optioned GT3 is a fair deal at sticker. I don't hold that view much above sticker though, and I think the initial 'OMG this car is awesome - I need one' hysteria is going to quiet down relatively quickly now that the cat's out of the bag. But, like I said, we'll know soon enough.
I have requests/offers in at 20 out of state dealers for a configurable allocation at MSRP, willing to put a big nonrefundable deposit down and pay cash for the car, and my local dealer SA is working hard to see if he can get me one of their allocations as well. If I get crickets in response, that'll tell me where things are heading.
I have requests/offers in at 20 out of state dealers for a configurable allocation at MSRP, willing to put a big nonrefundable deposit down and pay cash for the car, and my local dealer SA is working hard to see if he can get me one of their allocations as well. If I get crickets in response, that'll tell me where things are heading.
smone already realised that .2GT3 piston speed is higher than .1RS?
03-07-2017, 06:06 PM
#52
Can't agree more. Porsche made that many with 991.1 with stop sale and engine fiasco. This time around, they're recouping the opportunity costs.
With the anticipated demand, they're going to make as many as every man, woman, and dog would want to buy. No way they'll miss this opportunity to increase market share, especially having invested in the engineering that went into all the changes in the NA engine. I'm looking forward to seeing this NA engine in the 991.2 RS that will surely come as well. No markups if you don't need to be the very first on the block to drive this car. Even my dealer begrudgingly admitted to this.
Why does Porsche listen and respond to their client base? Simple - because they are a for-profit company.
With the anticipated demand, they're going to make as many as every man, woman, and dog would want to buy. No way they'll miss this opportunity to increase market share, especially having invested in the engineering that went into all the changes in the NA engine. I'm looking forward to seeing this NA engine in the 991.2 RS that will surely come as well. No markups if you don't need to be the very first on the block to drive this car. Even my dealer begrudgingly admitted to this.
Why does Porsche listen and respond to their client base? Simple - because they are a for-profit company.
03-07-2017, 06:07 PM
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I really hope not, but with all the hype, stock market going up, epic specs of the new 991.2 GT3 and MANUAL TRANSMISSION, I wouldn't be surprised if some builds hit that price with dealer mark-up.
I think the GT3 RS was getting $100K over MSRP when it came out (at least in Southern California), and obviously the RS has more limited production numbers.
I hope enthusiasts (such as myself
will get an opportunity to drive and appreciate what seems on paper to be the perfect car (track monster with enough creature comforts to make this a semi daily). However, this is a business at the end of the day and opportunists abound, especially the dealers.
I put a deposit on one of these several weeks ago (when my dealer, would accept deposits for these) with the hopes that I'll get to spec my own, but he already gave me the dealer mark-up depending on market demand blah blah.
We'll see what happens. I've mentally budgeted around $220K for this, but if this goes past $250K it'll be a really difficult decision and $300K is just silly (for me anyways).
I think the GT3 RS was getting $100K over MSRP when it came out (at least in Southern California), and obviously the RS has more limited production numbers.
I hope enthusiasts (such as myself
will get an opportunity to drive and appreciate what seems on paper to be the perfect car (track monster with enough creature comforts to make this a semi daily). However, this is a business at the end of the day and opportunists abound, especially the dealers.I put a deposit on one of these several weeks ago (when my dealer, would accept deposits for these) with the hopes that I'll get to spec my own, but he already gave me the dealer mark-up depending on market demand blah blah.
We'll see what happens. I've mentally budgeted around $220K for this, but if this goes past $250K it'll be a really difficult decision and $300K is just silly (for me anyways).
Only those who are impatient, gullible, and/or unresourceful will pay over MSRP. I got the 991.1 GT3 and GT4 at MSRP without too much delay, and am not a VIP.
03-07-2017, 06:09 PM
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Who cares. The .1RS is still a more desirable car in the marketplace than the .2GT3 is/will be. No way the prices on those two cars converge in the near term, IMO. Even $30k over for a .2GT3 makes no sense and I just don't see many people paying it.
03-07-2017, 06:09 PM
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991.2gt3 is a $150k + tax car. All you need is a leather dash/ buckets and maybe a lift. Depending on where you live.
Flog the car for a couple of years and get $125k for it. That's a good deal on a 9k redline 4.0l
Motorsport engine.
These cars don't need anything else. Seat, steeringwheel, engine, steel brakes and reacetrack = BIG SMILE
Flog the car for a couple of years and get $125k for it. That's a good deal on a 9k redline 4.0l
Motorsport engine.
These cars don't need anything else. Seat, steeringwheel, engine, steel brakes and reacetrack = BIG SMILE
03-07-2017, 06:11 PM
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"2. You own a 991.1 GT3 RS.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2."
Maybe some, maybe....but these guys need their head examined.
Some people are going to be tempted to sell their current car and get the GT3. Not as many as say the 991.1 GT3, but some. Result: more 991.1 RS cars for sale. More demand for 991.2."
Maybe some, maybe....but these guys need their head examined.
"I'm selling my voodoo blue RS and getting a manual GT3"
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03-07-2017, 06:12 PM
#57
If someone is dumb enough to pay $200k+ for this GT3 then they don't deserve to have the money in the first place. I think that 2 instead of the 1 as the first number will limit the premiums that will be had on these cars.
03-07-2017, 06:15 PM
#58
new gt3 looks amazing... 145k starting though... this thing is going to be 175k or more by the time you drive off the lot with it. that's deep into turbo territory for the non-RS.
i can say i'm not upset for re-purchasing a 997.2 gt3 last year. still a great car and at a LARGE discount for a gt3 6speed (and looks like it will be that way for a long time). god help you if you purchased an RS though, no telling what will happen now! hang on to your hats boys.
i can say i'm not upset for re-purchasing a 997.2 gt3 last year. still a great car and at a LARGE discount for a gt3 6speed (and looks like it will be that way for a long time). god help you if you purchased an RS though, no telling what will happen now! hang on to your hats boys.
03-07-2017, 06:16 PM
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Agreed. And I'm hoping everyone wants a manual, so there'll be more of the initial PDK allocations to go around, but it's probably wishful thinking on my part. If my dealer doesn't come through, I'm just going to keep contacting every dealer in the U.S. with the offer to pay cash for a configurable allocation at MSRP. No takers and I'll just keep my money.
03-07-2017, 06:29 PM
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First new GT3 on the open market in Europe: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/de...1&pageNumber=1
June delivery and 270.000 EUR asking price. So around a 90k over list price. I bought my GT3 RS at a markup, so a lot of people are trying to sell my a early GT3 now. Got an email from the guy who sold me the GT3 RS this morning. He told me he had three GT3s he could offer me. One June delivery and two August cars. He didn't mention prices, so I asked how much the asking price for the June car was.
Got the email this morning and answered tonight. Got a reply now that the June car and one of the August cars already was sold. But he offered me the second August car for a 40.000 EUR premium. So it seems that the new GT3 allrady is trading for premiums in Europe.
I'm not interested in paying a big premium for this car, so just answered out of curiosity.
June delivery and 270.000 EUR asking price. So around a 90k over list price. I bought my GT3 RS at a markup, so a lot of people are trying to sell my a early GT3 now. Got an email from the guy who sold me the GT3 RS this morning. He told me he had three GT3s he could offer me. One June delivery and two August cars. He didn't mention prices, so I asked how much the asking price for the June car was.
Got the email this morning and answered tonight. Got a reply now that the June car and one of the August cars already was sold. But he offered me the second August car for a 40.000 EUR premium. So it seems that the new GT3 allrady is trading for premiums in Europe.
I'm not interested in paying a big premium for this car, so just answered out of curiosity.