McLaren Success
#3121
You should check out recall/manufacture/customer complaints on NHTSA website sometime. The real data would show that Porsche has the most problems of ferrari/mac/lambo by a very, very wide margin.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.
#3122
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Obviously, an issue with one part affecting several cars which have that part would show a recall/communication/investigation for every one of them. Above is just a sample. Porsche is definitely more open towards disclosing "manufacture communications"
#3123
29 Manufacturer Communicationsfor 2016 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS
FILTER MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATIONS BY AFFECTED COMPONENTSAll (29)ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (7)ENGINE (4)ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING (4)EQUIPMENT (5)EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE (1)FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE (1)POWER TRAIN (3)STRUCTURE (1)SUSPENSION (1)TIRES (2)VISIBILITY (2)WHEELS (2)
September 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-V4Z5A-10
Components: POWER TRAIN
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-Y9K4F-09
Components: WHEELS
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-D7K9V-09
Components: ENGINE
August 14, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-X4X7D-09
Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
July 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-W9X4Z-08
Components: SUSPENSIO
#3124
Burning Brakes
#3125
Three Wheelin'
#3126
Nordschleife Master
You should check out recall/manufacture/customer complaints on NHTSA website sometime. The real data would show that Porsche has the most problems of ferrari/mac/lambo by a very, very wide margin.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.
If people want to buy then they'll find a reason to buy. If they don't want to buy then they'll find a reason to not buy.
Depends what ones mindset is.
More proof that the Mindset for the the vast majority is clearly “Porsche is still a Porsche”
#3127
RL Community Team
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It didn't come out right in above posting. Here's just an isolation of one particular model/car. The website will show the actual communications (the letter, etc.)
All (29)ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (7)ENGINE (4)ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING (4)EQUIPMENT (5)EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE (1)FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE (1)POWER TRAIN (3)STRUCTURE (1)SUSPENSION (1)TIRES (2)VISIBILITY (2)WHEELS (2)
September 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-V4Z5A-10
Components: POWER TRAIN
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-Y9K4F-09
Components: WHEELS
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-D7K9V-09
Components: ENGINE
August 14, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-X4X7D-09
Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
July 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-W9X4Z-08
Components: SUSPENSIO
29 Manufacturer Communicationsfor 2016 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS
FILTER MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATIONS BY AFFECTED COMPONENTSAll (29)ELECTRICAL SYSTEM (7)ENGINE (4)ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING (4)EQUIPMENT (5)EQUIPMENT ADAPTIVE (1)FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE (1)POWER TRAIN (3)STRUCTURE (1)SUSPENSION (1)TIRES (2)VISIBILITY (2)WHEELS (2)
September 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-V4Z5A-10
Components: POWER TRAIN
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-Y9K4F-09
Components: WHEELS
August 16, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-D7K9V-09
Components: ENGINE
August 14, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-X4X7D-09
Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
July 20, 2018 MANUFACTURER COMMUNICATION NUMBER: 122-W9X4Z-08
Components: SUSPENSIO
With Porsche, even if you have multiple problems they are easily addressed as the dealership network is fulsome and well established and parts shortage, while not uncommon, rarely will result in the car being out of service for an extended period of time (like months at a time).
#3128
Well this just confirms the market has spoken and louder than I thought in view of the fact when Porsche GT cars come out people are still fighting in the streets to get one regardless of the NHTSA data.
Mindset for the the vast majority is clearly “Porsche is still a Porsche”
#3129
The issue with a McLaren isn’t that it has problems or more problems than another marque but it’s more that it takes so fcking damn long for them to fix something as parts are basically a la minute. That’s assuming you can easily get to a McLaren dealership.
With Porsche, even if you have multiple problems they are easily addressed as the dealership network is fulsome and well established and parts shortage, while not uncommon, rarely will result in the car being out of service for an extended period of time (like months at a time).
Longest I've been down waiting for something was two weeks (cracked windshield due to stone chip on track)... and I've owned 6 mac's with cumulative 28K miles.
#3130
Nordschleife Master
Mac doesnt have that perception
or at least not yet.
#3131
Mclaren has made 17,000 cars. I'd estimate that servicing/warranty work, etc. is probably 100,000 touches by dealers. If cars were down for significant amount of time then there would be a lot of people screaming about it.... vs. the handful of people who like to bellyache about a random down time here and there.
Many have bought multiple mclarens. People generally remember if they had bad experiences and they would be one and done.
There is no such thing as a "mclaren guy". There is such a thing for Porsche and Ferrari. People who are brand loyal and don't stray from those marque's. They'll come up with all types of reasons to buy, not buy or create a certain narrative of what they do or don't do.
Go to a track day... Mclaren guy goes home early for whatever reason and some might think it's mechanical, it actually might be something else. Random porsche doesn't complete the track day and no one notices because there are so many out there. Simraceway at Sonoma used to have a Mclaren track experience for corporate events, track rental, etc. Money making businesses which depend on these cars won't hitch a ride to unrealiable cars that will be down. (note; they did this in conjunction with my local dealer which is quite a bit different then a random exotic car track rental program).
I just sold my Senna. I can make a bunch of different reasons why I may have done that (sort of like former owners of any car who create a reason to satisfy others and the easiest one to convince others without making themselves look weak is to say that the car wasn't mechanically fit).
#3132
Burning Brakes
i got to drive the 570 Spider this morning.
everything worked fine.
heater blows hot.
enjoyed the drive.
Macan still in the shop.
waiting for a part from Germany.
car went in on Monday.
same issue that i just got it back for last Friday.
everybody's got a story
everything worked fine.
heater blows hot.
enjoyed the drive.
Macan still in the shop.
waiting for a part from Germany.
car went in on Monday.
same issue that i just got it back for last Friday.
everybody's got a story
#3133
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#3134
RL Community Team
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How many examples do you have of being months at a time and when did that occur? They have parts supply in the States now.
Longest I've been down waiting for something was two weeks (cracked windshield due to stone chip on track)... and I've owned 6 mac's with cumulative 28K miles.
Longest I've been down waiting for something was two weeks (cracked windshield due to stone chip on track)... and I've owned 6 mac's with cumulative 28K miles.
570 GT in the shop for 2 months because of IRIS issues
650S in the shop for 3 months for a faulty brake sensor. Ultimately lemon'd.
570 Spyder in the shot for nearly 3 weeks due to a loose latch of some sort (not sure what)
Yes, I know that Mac has built a parts facility in the U.S. and that's great news. But until they increase their dealership network (both in terms of geography and density), it's just a hard sell for me. And I like McLarens, but I daily my cars, and given the hurdles that McLaren currently presents for an owner who relies on his car as a daily transportation conduit it's just not worth my time. Maybe in a year or two things will be different and I'll pick up a 750LT ...
#3135
Nordschleife Master
First; I am no apologist for Mclaren. I am not marque loyal and I could care less for Mclaren management in the U.K. I like my dealer, i like their cars. I also like porsche, ferrari and lambo.
Mclaren has made 17,000 cars. I'd estimate that servicing/warranty work, etc. is probably 100,000 touches by dealers. If cars were down for significant amount of time then there would be a lot of people screaming about it.... vs. the handful of people who like to bellyache about a random down time here and there.
Many have bought multiple mclarens. People generally remember if they had bad experiences and they would be one and done.
There is no such thing as a "mclaren guy". There is such a thing for Porsche and Ferrari. People who are brand loyal and don't stray from those marque's. They'll come up with all types of reasons to buy, not buy or create a certain narrative of what they do or don't do.
Go to a track day... Mclaren guy goes home early for whatever reason and some might think it's mechanical, it actually might be something else. Random porsche doesn't complete the track day and no one notices because there are so many out there. Simraceway at Sonoma used to have a Mclaren track experience for corporate events, track rental, etc. Money making businesses which depend on these cars won't hitch a ride to unrealiable cars that will be down. (note; they did this in conjunction with my local dealer which is quite a bit different then a random exotic car track rental program).
I just sold my Senna. I can make a bunch of different reasons why I may have done that (sort of like former owners of any car who create a reason to satisfy others and the easiest one to convince others without making themselves look weak is to say that the car wasn't mechanically fit).
Mclaren has made 17,000 cars. I'd estimate that servicing/warranty work, etc. is probably 100,000 touches by dealers. If cars were down for significant amount of time then there would be a lot of people screaming about it.... vs. the handful of people who like to bellyache about a random down time here and there.
Many have bought multiple mclarens. People generally remember if they had bad experiences and they would be one and done.
There is no such thing as a "mclaren guy". There is such a thing for Porsche and Ferrari. People who are brand loyal and don't stray from those marque's. They'll come up with all types of reasons to buy, not buy or create a certain narrative of what they do or don't do.
Go to a track day... Mclaren guy goes home early for whatever reason and some might think it's mechanical, it actually might be something else. Random porsche doesn't complete the track day and no one notices because there are so many out there. Simraceway at Sonoma used to have a Mclaren track experience for corporate events, track rental, etc. Money making businesses which depend on these cars won't hitch a ride to unrealiable cars that will be down. (note; they did this in conjunction with my local dealer which is quite a bit different then a random exotic car track rental program).
I just sold my Senna. I can make a bunch of different reasons why I may have done that (sort of like former owners of any car who create a reason to satisfy others and the easiest one to convince others without making themselves look weak is to say that the car wasn't mechanically fit).
I personally like McLarens a lot
but Mac imho just doesn’t get it. With the reputation for poor quality and reliability the fix is easy. Offer very reasonably priced extended and renewable warranties to boost confidence and which will increase the willingness to buy them both used and new and cut out the requirement for post track inspections which just further reinforces the perception your product can’t hack it and is a pita. This in turn will increase resale values imho