Observations: my RS vs. my GT3 vs. my AMG GTS
10-16-2015, 11:07 PM
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Observations: my RS vs. my GT3 vs. my AMG GTS
I am enjoying the RS very much.
Very engaging car. Needs to be driven hard.
As reported elsewhere definitely no stronger/faster than the GT3 - in fact according to the on-board accelerometer, it may be just a tad less accelerative. I do not notice any real increase in torque at mid-range.
Definitely more planted than the GT3. Really hunkered down.
So, while “objectively” it is not much different for street use, it “feels” more engaging, racier, louder, more connected. Once you hit 7000 rpm the engine note is absolutely crazy. (I have had a head cold in the last week, and the sound at high rpm is painful to my ears, (in a good way), especially if the window is partly open. Like reported by another, I had to wear ear plugs). My theory is that the air intake from the rear fenders is the source of difference in sound and feel – it is a straight shot from there, to the intake valves on the engine.
Much to my surprise, I actually like it better than the base car on the street. (I had been concerned that it would be too competent and therefore boring just tooling around, if you did not have room to really open it up).
Would like to see meaningfully lower gear ratios in 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so you can get decent mid-range acceleration, without driving the daylights out of the car, and risking your license each time because you have to be really moving to get it “on boil”. (When you do have room, and are confident there are no cops around, it can be a lot of fun).
I have not yet had it at the track, but have no doubt it will be phenomenal there.
In summary, a race car you can drive on the street.
Now for my AMG.
Very different car – equally engaging on the street. ( I would call it a tie for street use fun. At the track while the AMG is quite good, I expect that the RS is miles more “connected”.)
The AMG sounds great – big old American muscle car sound. Tons of torque everywhere. Feels much stronger than 500hp. Faster than the RS in a straight line.
Much more “special” interior, and unique exterior – more differentiated than the RS (which after all looks like every other 911 but with a big wing).
Biggest negative with the AMG is that the steering feels disconnected from the chassis. (Works fine, but is simply not confidence inspiring – I have had it back twice figuring that something was wrong with it).
In summary, a muscle car that you can take to the track.
Very engaging car. Needs to be driven hard.
As reported elsewhere definitely no stronger/faster than the GT3 - in fact according to the on-board accelerometer, it may be just a tad less accelerative. I do not notice any real increase in torque at mid-range.
Definitely more planted than the GT3. Really hunkered down.
So, while “objectively” it is not much different for street use, it “feels” more engaging, racier, louder, more connected. Once you hit 7000 rpm the engine note is absolutely crazy. (I have had a head cold in the last week, and the sound at high rpm is painful to my ears, (in a good way), especially if the window is partly open. Like reported by another, I had to wear ear plugs). My theory is that the air intake from the rear fenders is the source of difference in sound and feel – it is a straight shot from there, to the intake valves on the engine.
Much to my surprise, I actually like it better than the base car on the street. (I had been concerned that it would be too competent and therefore boring just tooling around, if you did not have room to really open it up).
Would like to see meaningfully lower gear ratios in 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so you can get decent mid-range acceleration, without driving the daylights out of the car, and risking your license each time because you have to be really moving to get it “on boil”. (When you do have room, and are confident there are no cops around, it can be a lot of fun).
I have not yet had it at the track, but have no doubt it will be phenomenal there.
In summary, a race car you can drive on the street.
Now for my AMG.
Very different car – equally engaging on the street. ( I would call it a tie for street use fun. At the track while the AMG is quite good, I expect that the RS is miles more “connected”.)
The AMG sounds great – big old American muscle car sound. Tons of torque everywhere. Feels much stronger than 500hp. Faster than the RS in a straight line.
Much more “special” interior, and unique exterior – more differentiated than the RS (which after all looks like every other 911 but with a big wing).
Biggest negative with the AMG is that the steering feels disconnected from the chassis. (Works fine, but is simply not confidence inspiring – I have had it back twice figuring that something was wrong with it).
In summary, a muscle car that you can take to the track.
10-16-2015, 11:23 PM
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Lucky you to have both.
I am mildly surprised the RS doesn't offer more acceleration than the GT3, which makes me happy with mine.
I drove a E63 AMG S wagon earlier this week. It had a similar sound to your AMG GTS with the torque of a locomotive. If I didn't need to tow, I'd consider buying the wagon!
I am mildly surprised the RS doesn't offer more acceleration than the GT3, which makes me happy with mine.
I drove a E63 AMG S wagon earlier this week. It had a similar sound to your AMG GTS with the torque of a locomotive. If I didn't need to tow, I'd consider buying the wagon!
10-16-2015, 11:40 PM
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I am enjoying the RS very much.
Very engaging car. Needs to be driven hard.
As reported elsewhere definitely no stronger/faster than the GT3 - in fact according to the on-board accelerometer, it may be just a tad less accelerative. I do not notice any real increase in torque at mid-range.
Definitely more planted than the GT3. Really hunkered down.
So, while “objectively” it is not much different for street use, it “feels” more engaging, racier, louder, more connected. Once you hit 7000 rpm the engine note is absolutely crazy. (I have had a head cold in the last week, and the sound at high rpm is painful to my ears, (in a good way), especially if the window is partly open. Like reported by another, I had to wear ear plugs). My theory is that the air intake from the rear fenders is the source of difference in sound and feel – it is a straight shot from there, to the intake valves on the engine.
Much to my surprise, I actually like it better than the base car on the street. (I had been concerned that it would be too competent and therefore boring just tooling around, if you did not have room to really open it up).
Would like to see meaningfully lower gear ratios in 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so you can get decent mid-range acceleration, without driving the daylights out of the car, and risking your license each time because you have to be really moving to get it “on boil”. (When you do have room, and are confident there are no cops around, it can be a lot of fun).
I have not yet had it at the track, but have no doubt it will be phenomenal there.
In summary, a race car you can drive on the street.
Now for my AMG.
Very different car – equally engaging on the street. ( I would call it a tie for street use fun. At the track while the AMG is quite good, I expect that the RS is miles more “connected”.)
The AMG sounds great – big old American muscle car sound. Tons of torque everywhere. Feels much stronger than 500hp. Faster than the RS in a straight line.
Much more “special” interior, and unique exterior – more differentiated than the RS (which after all looks like every other 911 but with a big wing).
Biggest negative with the AMG is that the steering feels disconnected from the chassis. (Works fine, but is simply not confidence inspiring – I have had it back twice figuring that something was wrong with it).
In summary, a muscle car that you can take to the track.
Very engaging car. Needs to be driven hard.
As reported elsewhere definitely no stronger/faster than the GT3 - in fact according to the on-board accelerometer, it may be just a tad less accelerative. I do not notice any real increase in torque at mid-range.
Definitely more planted than the GT3. Really hunkered down.
So, while “objectively” it is not much different for street use, it “feels” more engaging, racier, louder, more connected. Once you hit 7000 rpm the engine note is absolutely crazy. (I have had a head cold in the last week, and the sound at high rpm is painful to my ears, (in a good way), especially if the window is partly open. Like reported by another, I had to wear ear plugs). My theory is that the air intake from the rear fenders is the source of difference in sound and feel – it is a straight shot from there, to the intake valves on the engine.
Much to my surprise, I actually like it better than the base car on the street. (I had been concerned that it would be too competent and therefore boring just tooling around, if you did not have room to really open it up).
Would like to see meaningfully lower gear ratios in 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so you can get decent mid-range acceleration, without driving the daylights out of the car, and risking your license each time because you have to be really moving to get it “on boil”. (When you do have room, and are confident there are no cops around, it can be a lot of fun).
I have not yet had it at the track, but have no doubt it will be phenomenal there.
In summary, a race car you can drive on the street.
Now for my AMG.
Very different car – equally engaging on the street. ( I would call it a tie for street use fun. At the track while the AMG is quite good, I expect that the RS is miles more “connected”.)
The AMG sounds great – big old American muscle car sound. Tons of torque everywhere. Feels much stronger than 500hp. Faster than the RS in a straight line.
Much more “special” interior, and unique exterior – more differentiated than the RS (which after all looks like every other 911 but with a big wing).
Biggest negative with the AMG is that the steering feels disconnected from the chassis. (Works fine, but is simply not confidence inspiring – I have had it back twice figuring that something was wrong with it).
In summary, a muscle car that you can take to the track.
10-16-2015, 11:45 PM
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wow.
shocking review (to me). an AMG that is as thrilling (or more) and as fast (or more) than the $200k+ limited production RS? That is normally compared to 650S, 458, etc.
that is HUGE praise.
having owned AMG/black series, they are so much fun, muscle car, a hoot on the street, but would never have put in the RS category
sounds like I need to test drive one.
thanks for review!
shocking review (to me). an AMG that is as thrilling (or more) and as fast (or more) than the $200k+ limited production RS? That is normally compared to 650S, 458, etc.
that is HUGE praise.
having owned AMG/black series, they are so much fun, muscle car, a hoot on the street, but would never have put in the RS category
sounds like I need to test drive one.
thanks for review!
10-17-2015, 09:04 AM
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This is the owner review I have been waiting for, thanks!
Porsche has chosen to turn it's GT models into over subscribed financial instruments, but AMG will gladly take anyone's money.
The AMG is even tunable, see Weistec's site.
Porsche has chosen to turn it's GT models into over subscribed financial instruments, but AMG will gladly take anyone's money.
The AMG is even tunable, see Weistec's site.
10-17-2015, 11:58 AM
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Nice Review and generally in line with my own observations owning a GT3, GT3RS, and AMG E63S. Having driven both the AMG GTS and E63S during a recent AMG trackday at COTA, neither comes close to the feeling of engagement and precise control as either the GT3 or RS or even my Panamera S. Personally, I found the GTS to be a very pleasant GT car, but still a hammer to Porsche's Scalpel. On the track, I found the E63S easier to nail apexes accurately and with FAR more available Torque from its 5.5 L Engine vs the 4.0 on the GTS. (MT dynoed the output as far closer to 700 HP than the 577 Advertised, which I also believe) Unfortunately all larger displacement Engines are being phased out by all the manufacturers and will soon be as unavailable as normally aspirated engines.
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10-17-2015, 04:22 PM
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Nice Review and generally in line with my own observations owning a GT3, GT3RS, and AMG E63S. Having driven both the AMG GTS and E63S during a recent AMG trackday at COTA, neither comes close to the feeling of engagement and precise control as either the GT3 or RS or even my Panamera S. Personally, I found the GTS to be a very pleasant GT car, but still a hammer to Porsche's Scalpel. On the track, I found the E63S easier to nail apexes accurately and with FAR more available Torque from its 5.5 L Engine vs the 4.0 on the GTS. (MT dynoed the output as far closer to 700 HP than the 577 Advertised, which I also believe) Unfortunately all larger displacement Engines are being phased out by all the manufacturers and will soon be as unavailable as normally aspirated engines.
10-18-2015, 01:50 AM
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Thanks for the review
I have not seen a car that i could consider in the future replacing my beloved GT3/ having it next to the 3 , except for the GTS ! i saw it a couple of days ago and was wowed by its interior and looks , besides of course the reviews everywhere and the last one which MOTORTREND car of the year ..
Having said that the 3 is for keeps at the moment
till i decide to go for another car which definitely will be the GTS
I have not seen a car that i could consider in the future replacing my beloved GT3/ having it next to the 3 , except for the GTS ! i saw it a couple of days ago and was wowed by its interior and looks , besides of course the reviews everywhere and the last one which MOTORTREND car of the year ..
Having said that the 3 is for keeps at the moment
till i decide to go for another car which definitely will be the GTS
10-18-2015, 02:27 PM
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Burning Brakes
