New 991 GT3 / Exclusive pics and information. The real deal & at last some good news!
02-19-2013, 04:01 PM
#226
Rennlist Member
No. They wouldn't make the GT3 look boring (I hate the idea of smaller/active wings on GT3s) and make the RS look like the old GT3. It would be a marketing disaster. If anything, the RS's have been getting more like racecars in appearance/aero package.
02-19-2013, 04:14 PM
#227
Nordschleife Master
Trakcar you are so full of CL !!!
I have seen you changing wheels, it takes forever.
Do you want to challenge me on who can change wheels faster, torqued to specs?
My Cayman 5 lugs vs. your Aero Beetle, loser pays for drinks. All four corners.
My tools: 1 Floor Jack, a 1/2" torque wrench, a 1/2" Cordless Impact Wrench, (2) 19mm sockets, a pair of gloves, and my iPhone StopWatch.
Even better, I bet two 4-wheel changes against you single set attempt, 2 bar tabs. No help from anyone, no prep work either.
Are you in?
I have seen you changing wheels, it takes forever.
Do you want to challenge me on who can change wheels faster, torqued to specs?
My Cayman 5 lugs vs. your Aero Beetle, loser pays for drinks. All four corners.
My tools: 1 Floor Jack, a 1/2" torque wrench, a 1/2" Cordless Impact Wrench, (2) 19mm sockets, a pair of gloves, and my iPhone StopWatch.
Even better, I bet two 4-wheel changes against you single set attempt, 2 bar tabs. No help from anyone, no prep work either.
Are you in?
02-19-2013, 04:29 PM
#228
Nice info Slow, I look forward to more details
Reference the GT2RS I was instructing in the car when it had its failure and will release the cause when I'm allowed to, stay tuned.
Reference the GT2RS I was instructing in the car when it had its failure and will release the cause when I'm allowed to, stay tuned.
02-19-2013, 04:52 PM
#231
Rennlist Member
#392/#395 https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...recall-27.html
Crickets in response to my request for details in that thread.
The owner's reputation or his supposed maintenance schedule is not material, pics and details are the facts worth knowing
Had I not spent many years living in the south, I would have otherwise taken "son" to be derogatory. But I know you meant it as a term of endearment
Crickets in response to my request for details in that thread.
The owner's reputation or his supposed maintenance schedule is not material, pics and details are the facts worth knowing
Had I not spent many years living in the south, I would have otherwise taken "son" to be derogatory. But I know you meant it as a term of endearment
Good grief.
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02-19-2013, 04:56 PM
#232
Rennlist Member
Expect a weight decrease of around 80-90lb over the outgoing 997.2 GT3 even with the PDK onboard is what I have been led to expect. Even at the same weight as outgoing 997.2 GT3RS with the new chasis, PDK, 9000rpm and new engine making 450+ bhp we should see a dramatic improvement in performance on paper and around the usual haunts such as The Ring and Porsche test track etc...
02-19-2013, 04:57 PM
#233
Rennlist Member
Yeah, but that 4200 mile thing is a lawyery issue. GT3's only, RS unaffected and never seen an issue first hand. I spent above average time around CL RS cars. So what happened to the GT2RS besides stopping dead on the track? That means nothing to me. What broke, what it look like? I have to see things to believe them, but I can listen to an accurate description of cause and result.
Pars on RS are no different now and if maintenance is required for GT3, bet your bottom dollar it will be for RS too... Written to them, awaiting response on why they are dragging their asses on this!...
02-19-2013, 05:07 PM
#234
Still plays with cars.
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Member
On Centerlocks:
I now have about 80 track days on my 2010 RS. That includes 15 races. I drive on Michelin Slicks or rains and SS on the street. I use Forgeline Centerlock 3 piece wheels on track. I have had no issues with Centerlocks and of the dozen 2010, 2011 RS in our region, none have had a problem. At the same time, 3 GT3s have had issues although two of them had seriously overtorqued the wheels. At my last inspection in the fall, we decided to replace the drive spindles (red things) because they were a bit worn on the front wheels - I assume race braking on slicks works them pretty hard.
So am I happy with CL wheels? No, not because I'm worried about losing a wheel but because changing wheels is longer (sorry Peter) and there is a lot more maintenance than good old 5 lugs.
Best,
I now have about 80 track days on my 2010 RS. That includes 15 races. I drive on Michelin Slicks or rains and SS on the street. I use Forgeline Centerlock 3 piece wheels on track. I have had no issues with Centerlocks and of the dozen 2010, 2011 RS in our region, none have had a problem. At the same time, 3 GT3s have had issues although two of them had seriously overtorqued the wheels. At my last inspection in the fall, we decided to replace the drive spindles (red things) because they were a bit worn on the front wheels - I assume race braking on slicks works them pretty hard.
So am I happy with CL wheels? No, not because I'm worried about losing a wheel but because changing wheels is longer (sorry Peter) and there is a lot more maintenance than good old 5 lugs.
Best,
02-19-2013, 05:10 PM
#235
Rennlist Member
VR, don't twist words, I did not blame anyone.
Enough with the vagueries, you can describe or show pics without anyone knowing what car or where or whom, just share if you are so worried about CL's you dont have.
If Porsche admits they are **** they would not be on the 991.
Chris, I am sure the lawyers will find something to do and to bill, but nothing yet. Look they also recommend the front hubs and a front hub has NEVER failed!
One RS failing without any knowledge why is not enough for me to say I dont like CL's. I accept GT3's failing as a defect that was solved on the cars involved.
It just does not bother me at all, they are easy peasy like 5 lugs and I can only speak about personal experience that I had trouble with 5 lugs and I dont with CL's.
Again, if they cost money I would not order them as an option. Maybe even order 5 lugs to save a few dollars on tools, I dont love CL, but I think people changing hubs on low milage lightly or not tracked CL cars are just wasting money and devaluating the cars to lesser informed buyers by overreacting for no good reason or just being scared into worrying about a 600nm torque bar.
Just my opinion that most disagree with and I can understand your point.
If you tarck a car enough, even 5 lug or CUP hubs time out.
Enough with the vagueries, you can describe or show pics without anyone knowing what car or where or whom, just share if you are so worried about CL's you dont have.
If Porsche admits they are **** they would not be on the 991.
Chris, I am sure the lawyers will find something to do and to bill, but nothing yet. Look they also recommend the front hubs and a front hub has NEVER failed!
One RS failing without any knowledge why is not enough for me to say I dont like CL's. I accept GT3's failing as a defect that was solved on the cars involved.
It just does not bother me at all, they are easy peasy like 5 lugs and I can only speak about personal experience that I had trouble with 5 lugs and I dont with CL's.
Again, if they cost money I would not order them as an option. Maybe even order 5 lugs to save a few dollars on tools, I dont love CL, but I think people changing hubs on low milage lightly or not tracked CL cars are just wasting money and devaluating the cars to lesser informed buyers by overreacting for no good reason or just being scared into worrying about a 600nm torque bar.
Just my opinion that most disagree with and I can understand your point.
If you tarck a car enough, even 5 lug or CUP hubs time out.
02-19-2013, 05:24 PM
#237
Rennlist Member
Whatever you say, bro...
By the way, it is irrelevant that I do not currently own a car with CL's. I ride in enough of them every week of the year and have enough of a self-preservation instinct that their inherent ****tyness is of great concern to me. Now, if Porsche had equipped the cars with the CL's from the Cup cars, or the Carrera GT, I'd rest easier. But insterad, they chose this faux Rube Goldbergesque abortion of gears, springs, and interlocking gizmos that now appears to be a real failure risk...something I don't wish to experience.
By the way, it is irrelevant that I do not currently own a car with CL's. I ride in enough of them every week of the year and have enough of a self-preservation instinct that their inherent ****tyness is of great concern to me. Now, if Porsche had equipped the cars with the CL's from the Cup cars, or the Carrera GT, I'd rest easier. But insterad, they chose this faux Rube Goldbergesque abortion of gears, springs, and interlocking gizmos that now appears to be a real failure risk...something I don't wish to experience.
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02-19-2013, 05:54 PM
#240
Rennlist Member
I'm not so sure. The car with what apears to be a duck tail + smaller (active?) wing, without the big intake, and with centerlocks, is very similar to many, many other 991 prototypes caught on camera, and this one appears to be near production-ready. If it isn't a GT3, what is it?