Starting my GT3 in sub zero degrees
01-11-2019, 11:09 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
The owners manual for my car (996) says that if you start the engine, you shouldn’t shut it off until it’s at a certain temp. That’s the only thing I would not do - cold start for less than a minute and then shut it off. Too much fuel and condensation will accumulate.
I’m with the post that said to push it into the garage.
However, what i would really do is drive it around for a bit. I would be careful with those tires, but I wouldn’t be able to resist driving it.
I’m with the post that said to push it into the garage.
However, what i would really do is drive it around for a bit. I would be careful with those tires, but I wouldn’t be able to resist driving it.
01-12-2019, 01:31 AM
#33
What tires are on the car? Michelin says tires could crack at those temps. Not sure about the Dunlop’s.
01-12-2019, 02:05 AM
#35
Please view the following GT3 thriving in the snow like a normal well built German sports car:
https://youtu.be/7RBp980Fc0U
https://youtu.be/7RBp980Fc0U
01-12-2019, 05:07 AM
#36
Doubtful that they will crack. Maybe if you stress them to the extreme, which you wouldn't do in those temps anyway...
01-12-2019, 05:15 AM
#37
Tires will be sketchy in the cold that is for sure. I have driven on Cup 2s at 20 F and they were not great so your dealing with much colder temps. The manufacture has warnings about using and storing these tires at cold temps so just be aware of those warnings. Some Corvette guys have reported tires tearing in cold temps, not the same design as the Cup 2 on the GT3 but something to keep in mind nonetheless.
01-12-2019, 09:25 AM
#38
Race Director
01-12-2019, 10:35 AM
#39
Three Wheelin'
Will the tires have been soaking the cold temp? That is where if they are cold they could crack. Even just rolling from what I understand. The story I had heard about the Cup 2's was with regards to the pre-production 918. It had sat overnight in a trailer in cold weather, in the single digits I believe, and all they did was roll it off the trailer and they had to replace the tires because they cracked. This came from the gentleman who followed the car around the country, it was a first hand description. So be careful. You do have to move it, just pay attention to the tires afterwards. I drove mine in freezing weather, right around 32 degrees with no issues, it never soaked the cold less than 40 degrees though. Did spin the rear wheels in the snow though, not much grip there!
01-12-2019, 11:07 AM
#40
Racer
No problems starting, just keep it running to temp. Tires are the issue. If those tires have been out in that temp for a while, there could be problems . . .
Please see what the Michelin website says on this.
I saw a lot of pics of ruined Cup 2s on C7s from the cold.
Please see what the Michelin website says on this.
I saw a lot of pics of ruined Cup 2s on C7s from the cold.
01-12-2019, 11:23 AM
#41
This is what Michelin says on their website:
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
01-12-2019, 11:35 AM
#42
Three Wheelin'
This is what Michelin says on their website:
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
01-12-2019, 11:47 AM
#43
Instructor
This is what Michelin says on their website:
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
• Do Not use, store or handle MICHELIN Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres at ambient temperatures below -10°C (14°F)
• Under these conditions the tyre components can degrade, resulting in reduced performance, and at low temperatures can lead to cracks in the tyre compound and hence reduce potential in use
So I just have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that they will survive. The temperature while on the trailer will (according to the forecast) be slowly falling, starting at 32F and reach the lowest temp of 14F for a couple of hours. When they deliver it will be about 16F.
Source: I have used to use the residual heat from a warmed-up car to heat the garage I was working in. Works quite well, even for a 2-car garage, for 1-2 hours.
01-12-2019, 11:47 AM
#44
But I must say that it's strange that the dealer, which is an official Porsche dealer, never mentioned this issue. I mean, it's winter and both him and me know that the temp can fall below -14F at times. And there's no way for me now to cancel the transport since it's weekend and I only have the phone number to the office of the transporter.
01-12-2019, 11:54 AM
#45
If it's worrying you, and you have the time, I suggest this: when it arrives, start the car up in the trailer (with the doors open, obviously) and let it warm up for 10 minutes. You can un-strap the car etc. while this is occurring. Then turn off the car and seal up the trailer. Wait 30 minutes. The temperature inside the trailer will rise markedly from the heat coming off the cooling engine, warming the tires in the process. Then, deploy the ramp and drive the car off and over to your garage in the normal fashion.