Manual Vs. PDK in the GT3 .2
11-16-2017, 05:12 AM
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because most ppl can't do it right so they dwell on heel and toe whch they also cannot do it right. if you got heel and toe right, you got it right then you wont dwell over it again and again... it's like once u actually can do advanced mathematics, you wont be discussing how fast u can recite the multiplication table anymore.
i am not sure why heel and toe is so fascination. i didnt know how to do it when i learned to drive at 16. i heard of it. so i took my dad's 84 G body out and in about 40 min, i got it down and can also double clutch up and down in his POS beetle in a week. it's NOT THAT HARD.
i am not sure why heel and toe is so fascination. i didnt know how to do it when i learned to drive at 16. i heard of it. so i took my dad's 84 G body out and in about 40 min, i got it down and can also double clutch up and down in his POS beetle in a week. it's NOT THAT HARD.
Give me some more decades to master those somewhat, maybe then I will put MT back into the equation to mix things up again, who knows.
11-16-2017, 05:13 AM
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if u love 9k rpms technology why not being fascinated by a pair friend as fast as a pdk-s and left leg braking ?
its crazy and totally incompetent comparing a pdk-s to the granma prius cvt auto gears for dummies
either a manual can be driven by a foolish teenager
its crazy and totally incompetent comparing a pdk-s to the granma prius cvt auto gears for dummies
either a manual can be driven by a foolish teenager
11-16-2017, 08:15 AM
#138
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I guess I would say that I have experienced PDKS in my 991.1 GT3. There will constantly be improving technologies with regards to PDK and I will once again appreciate those advances in future models. 99% of my GT3 driving is as a daily commuter car to work and back. In my situation, I found the PDK a bit boring to use on regular surface streets. I can totally understand its advantages on the track. I never did care for PDK-equipped powertrain's clunkity-clunk-clunk under normal driving circumstances. I nearly always had to drive my GT3 in manual mode to avoid it. Having driven a 991.1 GT3 for nearly 3 years and 16680 joyous miles, it's time for a change. Of course, the fact that I have a 2018 Ferrari 488GTB arriving in Feb did factor in my decision to stick with manual (pun intended).
However, I DO feel that the manual transmission has nearly perfected itself technologically and that this is likely the most modern iteration of manual transmission, clutch technology, and gearshift feel coupled with a sophisticated modern day race engine. Likely, these ingredients won't be around much longer inevitably.
Therefore, it's probably better to at least experience what will likely be one of the last (and therefore best) manual transmission-equipped automobiles for likely the last time possible...and spec it the way I wanted it to be.
There WILL be PLENTY of PDK cars for the future...GT cars and otherwise....and they WILL most likely be better than the current ones...
However, I DO feel that the manual transmission has nearly perfected itself technologically and that this is likely the most modern iteration of manual transmission, clutch technology, and gearshift feel coupled with a sophisticated modern day race engine. Likely, these ingredients won't be around much longer inevitably.
Therefore, it's probably better to at least experience what will likely be one of the last (and therefore best) manual transmission-equipped automobiles for likely the last time possible...and spec it the way I wanted it to be.
There WILL be PLENTY of PDK cars for the future...GT cars and otherwise....and they WILL most likely be better than the current ones...
11-16-2017, 10:51 AM
#140
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THIS is exactly why I'm fed up with MT and want to take my driving to the next level with PDK. MT is just no challenge anymore. Honing my track skills, braking points, apexes, exits, car balance is my challenge now.
Give me some more decades to master those somewhat, maybe then I will put MT back into the equation to mix things up again, who knows.
Give me some more decades to master those somewhat, maybe then I will put MT back into the equation to mix things up again, who knows.
I guarantee all these MT gods who can perfectly rev match all their shifts while threshold braking aren't actually even close.
to heel and toe is not that hard. to do it almost perfectly every time between every gear and at various brake pressure is not so easy.
11-16-2017, 10:02 PM
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well if MT is no challenge, then it should require no thought or effort as you hone your track skills.
I guarantee all these MT gods who can perfectly rev match all their shifts while threshold braking aren't actually even close.
to heel and toe is not that hard. to do it almost perfectly every time between every gear and at various brake pressure is not so easy.
I guarantee all these MT gods who can perfectly rev match all their shifts while threshold braking aren't actually even close.
to heel and toe is not that hard. to do it almost perfectly every time between every gear and at various brake pressure is not so easy.
11-16-2017, 10:14 PM
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Who cares. Just be thankful that Porsche offered you both choices. Those of us who are fortunate enough in life to actually afford one of these machines is a rare thing today. As such, I feel blessed that I have the opportunity to own one.
Thank goodness they don't offer it in only one color...
They are choices; celebrate that, don't debate it.
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Thank goodness they don't offer it in only one color...
They are choices; celebrate that, don't debate it.
- Chris.
11-16-2017, 10:29 PM
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Who cares. Just be thankful that Porsche offered you both choices. Those of us who are fortunate enough in life to actually afford one of these machines is a rare thing today. As such, I feel blessed that I have the opportunity to own one.
Thank goodness they don't offer it in only one color...
They are choices; celebrate that, don't debate it.
- Chris.
Thank goodness they don't offer it in only one color...
They are choices; celebrate that, don't debate it.
- Chris.
11-16-2017, 10:30 PM
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hence the dilemma!
So after much thought decided to get a PDK.
My reasoning is as follows
1. Planning on increasing track and auto cross days with the new car this next year and frankly I don’t think I’m a good enough driver to also have to include the shifting part of it. I’d like to concentrate on getting better just controlling the car for the time being.
2. For those very rare occasions when I’m tired as hell and can’t be bothered to shift, I like the option of being able to not think about it too much.
3. The PDKS is an exceptional marvel of engineering and I can’t help but feel like it’s a shame to miss out on a major feature designed for this purpose and the motor allegedly has been designed for this gearbox. Who am I to argue?
4. And this is the most minor. Would like my better half to be able to at least drive this car a bit. NOT TOO MUCH lol
I have to say the level of knowledge and input on this forum is amazing at times! I took my time reading every single response with a nice glass of bourbon and let it all sink in.
As many of you have said you really can’t lose in this scenario and I am just so thankful that I can even consider this car. I can’t wait to own it, drive and even just look at it.
So after much thought decided to get a PDK.
My reasoning is as follows
1. Planning on increasing track and auto cross days with the new car this next year and frankly I don’t think I’m a good enough driver to also have to include the shifting part of it. I’d like to concentrate on getting better just controlling the car for the time being.
2. For those very rare occasions when I’m tired as hell and can’t be bothered to shift, I like the option of being able to not think about it too much.
3. The PDKS is an exceptional marvel of engineering and I can’t help but feel like it’s a shame to miss out on a major feature designed for this purpose and the motor allegedly has been designed for this gearbox. Who am I to argue?
4. And this is the most minor. Would like my better half to be able to at least drive this car a bit. NOT TOO MUCH lol
I have to say the level of knowledge and input on this forum is amazing at times! I took my time reading every single response with a nice glass of bourbon and let it all sink in.
As many of you have said you really can’t lose in this scenario and I am just so thankful that I can even consider this car. I can’t wait to own it, drive and even just look at it.
no dilemma
11-16-2017, 10:40 PM
#146
I learned how to drive with a crash box that required double-clutching. I can’t say that was much fun, but I’m REALLY looking forward to the MT in my incoming Touring GT3.
Instead of PDK vs. MT, why not just replace vs. with “and.” There’s no right or wrong.
Instead of PDK vs. MT, why not just replace vs. with “and.” There’s no right or wrong.
11-17-2017, 12:43 AM
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^ i like that.
just drive
just drive
11-17-2017, 12:47 AM
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So much consternation.
Just buy what you love.
Love what you buy.
Don't worry about what other people are buying, or loving.
Just buy what you love.
Love what you buy.
Don't worry about what other people are buying, or loving.
11-17-2017, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
So much consternation.
Just buy what you love.
Love what you buy.
Don't worry about what other people are buying, or loving.
Just buy what you love.
Love what you buy.
Don't worry about what other people are buying, or loving.
IMO this thread will Help solidify what they love.
11-17-2017, 01:01 AM
#150
? As for the lap time, learning to time apex, better braking control thing. i am guessing most PDK owners always stay in automatic? It seems running the car in full automatic is the faster way around the track? Letting the car do all the work.
I drove a pdk in 2014 and the instructor (pro race car driver) explained that the car was much faster if you just let it do all the shifting and not touch the paddles. Does this sound correct?
I chose a manual, but did think it could be a good idea to be able to have my wife drive the car if needed, or needed to move it out of the garage for some reason. other than that, I guess eliminating the paddles would be the fastest set up for lap times?
I drove a pdk in 2014 and the instructor (pro race car driver) explained that the car was much faster if you just let it do all the shifting and not touch the paddles. Does this sound correct?
I chose a manual, but did think it could be a good idea to be able to have my wife drive the car if needed, or needed to move it out of the garage for some reason. other than that, I guess eliminating the paddles would be the fastest set up for lap times?